How significant is this report that claims the public feels police officers are "more interested in being woke than solving crimes"?

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Very pleased to see this statement, and the BBC reporting it, but is it going to make a difference?

Sorry, you're wrong. This didn't happen. And if it did, how do we know there wasn't also a death threat in another tweet? It can't be this simple. And safeguarding.

Am I doing this right @Felix125 ?

And anyway...what was she wearing? We just don't know all the facts.

And we don't know what was on the blank piece of paper. Until we know that, we don't know if the police were justified in harassing the woman all the live long day.

Also, she may have had other paper. Several pieces in fact. Or even a notebook.

We just don't know.

I'd like to see a recording of the police confronting the woman with the paper. Until we see that, we just don't know what else she might have been accused of.

I'm getting reports in, yes, she had pockets.

Let's get a warrant to search her house.

Pockets! Who does she think she is?

So you have no problem with him going into a female changing room then.

That's not what I said. You're twisting my words.

I do have a problem with him being in the women's changing rooms, and depending on what he is doing there (voyeurism or exposing himself for example) he may be committing a criminal offence, in which case the police should be called. But if not there are other ways to deal with the problem that don't involve calling the police, and as a first resort I'd be complaining to the pool's management.

Well she could put anything in those pockets. Best to record it just in case.

The police keep on failing women and girls.
Not so - DdraigGoch - says we shouldn't get involved (as above)
We shouldn't record intelligence on people like Mr Smith which could keep them safe. If there's no crime, there should be nothing recorded.

Criminal offences were committed. SYP and GMP failed to investigate those criminal offences, instead choosing to harass whistle blowers.

Really - how about if I see in a house a large 1 ton bag of fertilizer, numerous bottles of nitric acid, hydrochloride acid and acetone. Worth reporting a intelligence or not? Non of that is illegal to possess.

I think that we've been pretty clear that it's fine to record intelligence. What's not fine is passing on unproven allegations or suspicions to third parties.

If i discover that a regular missing from home from a children's home (14 year old girl) who is vulnerable to child sexual exploitation is frequenting specific areas in a town known for prostitution and sex crime. Worth reporting?
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non of its illegal - do we just ignore it?

You've got grounds to suspect that something illegal is taking place.

Much unlike someone with "transactivism erases lesbians" stickers in her window. What possible crime could have taken place there?

Wouldn't the police want to work on a programme to try and resolve this area, known for prostitution and sex crime? Or do they look the other way as it is only women?

Especially if 14 year olds are there - surely some sort of investigation into this would be started?

You can see again why the child exploitation gangs run rampant under their noses.

Well said,

Sorry - for some reason @Nightlystroll was missed off after "Well said" - and it was there when I clicked 'post", too!

I don't think you realise how very few officers are left to respond - we can't even get to the 999 calls coming in .

Of course police would like to be everywhere at once and to actually prevent crime - but now we're only just managing to respond never mind prevent !

There are other police depts that do try and solve lo g term issues with pop plans etc . But we can't get the thumb screws out and force people to talk to us .

Very few sex workers will talk to us , and missing from homes don't volunteer any information. They do t like it when we rock up and take them home . A lot of the kids being exploited now in CSE and county lines do t even realise they are being exploited.

What's clear from this is its very easy to say you think you know our job . What we do . What we shouldn't do etc . You don't .

These Incidents highlighted here are wrong yes - but make up a tiny proportion of the thousands of incidents created and dealt with each day .

Telling the truth isn't anti feminist or misogynistic. If you do t believe what I and Felix are saying that's fine .

But the accusations that I'm now a man because I am saying something different, based on my actual daily work I g life and 14 years experience isn't right either .

If you only want posters who 100 % agree that all police forces and the people in them are woke , then it's not a discussion board .
It's a members only group .

Every single post or explanation is Met with derision, or sarcasm , or worse by some

Would you rather no police answered these criticisms and make it easier for you to discuss what you think is happening?

If you don't have many officers left why are you prioritising stickers and being the thought police? Genuinely curious as to how when there are many reports of a woman being battered with a child in the house I can see via Facebook everyone is at a carnival type event down the road shaking hands chatting away but too busy for a beating "lessons will be learned" obviously but the lesson we all seem to be learning is save your breath don't waste your phone battery

Same as me . Save your breath don't waste your time.

The officers at the carnival will be the neighbourhood team and that is part of their job . Response are a different dept and will be out there running around like blue arsed flies responding to incidents.

We have many different teams in the police .
Neighbourhoods job is to engage with the community. This includes community events .

Response respond to incoming calls and emergencies, prisoners, prisoner processing, sitting duties at custody or hospital, scene sitting etc

Cid will be dealing with the more serious stuff like murder, attempt murder, s18 gbh assault, etc

The tasking team will be doing directed patrols where needed it arrest attempts for group.

PVP will be protecting vulnerable people so child's use jobs etc

The domestic abuse team will be dealing with the suspects of all domestic related arrests and all the ensuing paperwork.

The burglary team will be dealing with burglary prisoners.

Traffic will be dealing with RTCS / fatals etc on the roads

Dog unit will be spread far and wide , there will probably only be one dog unit working for 4 districts so by the time they get to any job suspect will probably have had a good 20 min head start or dog will be tracking a missing person .

We no longer have a helicopter. No money .

Oh and all our "hate" crime now goes to the neighbourhood team .

Hate related incidents might be written off entirely as nothing further needed or if a crime go to npt to sort out the nitty gritty .

Would you like the police officers here to leave you alone to your theories which are mostly based on ?? (What exactly - a carnival up the road where there's a few community police officers doing their job ?? ) And mostly incorrect
It appears that the truth , the facts are not wanted here . It's far more fun to come up with conspiracy theories, demonise all police and give posters a sex change when it suits.

Why do you think those nothing g jobs would prioritised?

No . The jobs that are prioritised here are immediates (emergencies)

Then domestics and child concern jobs - that's our force policy .

Every incident rung in has to be looked at by a police officer if an incident is created but a sticker in a wi Dow will most certainly not have been any priority. It probably sat on the incident queue for 2 weeks , bobbies looked at , gone for a chat , come to correct conclusion that it's bollocks and closed inc .

Psco has acted alone in going back for the lecture . Foisting her opinion on Bella . Not on . We ve all agreed on that

Pride is anti lesbian and anti feminist. The police should keep their distance, as it looks like they are taking a position on this issue. The "neighbourhood team" sound like they don't really have enough to do. Maybe they could start with being impartial in political matters? The police serve everyone, not just people whose politics you approve of.

Yes the police serve EVERYONE correct. Including people you don't approve of . Pride has to be policed as does any large gathering or demonstration, carnival etc. police are there to engage with everyone in the community (like EVERYONE) and keep the peace , carnivals and mass gatherings attract pick pockets and so on - shall we just let the two sides murder each other then in protests and hide away never talking to those in the community we serve ? What are you suggesting?

The neighbourhood police have their specific job to do - they have plenty to do but it tends to be not responding- targeting longer term issues , neighbour disputes, anti social behaviour, drug crime , and engagement with the community. The neighbourhood teams have both police officers and PCSOS . Other teams only have police or civilian investigators. They do t wear a uniform and work with cid who do t wear uniform.

I mean the civilian investigators do t wear uniform. Or Cid.

The rest of us do .

Pride has to be policed as does any large gathering or demonstration, carnival etc

Yes, the current dynamic is wrong. You're supposed to be respected, not everyone's mates. How silly does it look when a lot of them have ACAB posters on their walls?

The police shouldn't be taking sides in political matters.

AlisonDonut
He however, called the police, in Norfolk, from New York and she got - yes a visit,
So what did he report then?
We are back to this time & time again. Before we can judge what the police response was, we need to know what was reported by him to police? Otherwise, we are just guessing.

Wouldn't the police want to work on a programme to try and resolve this area, known for prostitution and sex crime? Or do they look the other way as it is only women? Especially if 14 year olds are there - surely some sort of investigation into this would be started?
Yes - this will be ongoing in the background but takes years to get any results. This will be due to all parties involved (not police) not wanting to solve it as they both get an advantage from it. At the end of the day, the 14 year old is just walking down a public street in the town - no offences and if she wasn't classed as missing, no powers to even stop her.

The point is - would I report it as intelligence?

Her frequenting this area would also add to the ongoing programme to resolve this area.

And why would i have the attitude that 'it is only women'?
I'm trying to support intelligence gathering & disclosing of it to help prevent future crimes on women, men and children. Hence disclosing the information on Mr Smith - but most on here don't think we should.

Datun
Why do you think the public feels police officers are "more interested in being woke than solving crimes"?
Probably from the media - they take one incident, but ignore the thousands where we are dealing with emergencies & safeguarding. It sells papers basically.

But what ever the 'view' is - its not a reflection of what is happening.
I have argued that the amount of woke things we deal with on a day-to-day basis is insignificant compared to everything else we have to do. It is this that is preventing us detecting crimes - not woke things.

You need to show some data of all the jobs rang into police and then look at the percentages of 'woke' jobs compared to everything else.

Its as mad as thinking Jeff Bezos just sits in his mansion all day smoking big cigars and counting his money.

DdraigGoch
I do have a problem with him being in the women's changing rooms, and depending on what he is doing there (voyeurism or exposing himself for example) he may be committing a criminal offence, in which case the police should be called. But if not there are other ways to deal with the problem that don't involve calling the police, and as a first resort I'd be complaining to the pool's management.
Exactly - do it that way and keep the police out if it to deal with crime.
But - at some point in this scenario, the police were called.
So what do we do with the information gained from it?
If its a crime and he gets prosecuted - we record & disclose it

But don't record anything if he is found not guilty at court or its judged that no crime has occurred from the onset. Or record it for police eyes only? But would the public be happy if something was to go wrong in the future when we had the information to hand, but didn't disclose it and a member of the public was hurt?

I think that everyone understands that policing events is a thing that has to happen.

I think they also understand that the problems with not having enough people aren't caused by stuff like Pride or stickering complaints.

The link is this. You have a police force that is not able to adequately respond to real crimes, which people are understandably upset about.

And yet there seems to be these reports of attention being paid to these real non-crimes. Even if you know those aren't the cause, that is maddening.

Plus these non-crimes seem to have a political dimension which is disturbing.

And then they are seeing the police be all buddy buddy at events being promoted by this political cause, and wearing symbols related to them. ANd that is even more disturbing.

Then you get people like our friend Felix who can't seem to wrap his head around the fact that there is a line between crime and thought-crime, and that it's really important for that to be clear.

It's such a bad look. It looks politicized, and people should be afraid of a politicized police force.