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How significant is this report that claims the public feels police officers are "more interested in being woke than solving crimes"?

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JellySaurus · 31/08/2022 11:48

Home Secretary should reform failing police forces - think tank https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-627323366^

Very pleased to see this statement, and the BBC reporting it, but is it going to make a difference?

How significant is this report that claims the public feels police officers are "more interested in being woke than solving crimes"?
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DdraigGoch · 01/09/2022 01:33

RoseslnTheHospital · 31/08/2022 23:55

Is the issue that the police really just don't have the resources/people/funding any more to respond to violent crime, or is it incompetence/bad decision making/policy decisions/bad management?

Bit of both. The Home Office, CPS and individual forces have piled so much pointless paperwork on officers that the few officers we have are stuck behind desks for much of their shifts.

MangyInseam · 01/09/2022 02:21

I think there is some space for the police to be involved at local community events, it's good for the public to have friendly contact with them.

Pride has just become so weird and over the top though, even in terms of the time and energy they spend on it. Why rainbow badges, and not, say, St George's flags, or pink ribbons or whatever?

But the real issue I suspect is the stuff about the police pursuing complaints for wrong-think and the way "hate incidents" are being dealt with. You can't complain about being under-staffed and under-funded and unable to do basic police work, then spend time on that shit.

MichelleScarn · 01/09/2022 02:30

DdraigGoch · 01/09/2022 01:30

A caution is a pathetic outcome for something that was ABH, if not GBH.

That article is horrific, and what's likely to happen is these parents will probably be arrested in the park as one of this little 'gang' will report them for the threatening behaviour of 'looking at them'.

MarshaMelrose · 01/09/2022 02:40

The thugs that did the damage should be prosecuted but its just a broken windscreen. It might be off the road for tonight but to imply it will be off for longer is ridiculous. They can even get the windscreen company to come to them so the officers can be doing foot patrol instead of waiting around.
Why is a nightshift being briefed on parades,that happen during the day? Surely it's a quick word at the start of their shift?

stillvicarinatutu · 01/09/2022 02:41

As a police officer I can say the frontline do t actually give a shiny shite about being "woke"
We police using common sense mostly . I've refused orders by senior command when it's not been a lawful order. It's bull shit .

stillvicarinatutu · 01/09/2022 02:48

I'm not gonna look at this again because the police as one big homogeneous lump are damned if we do and damned it we don't.

Nightlystroll · 01/09/2022 03:03

Wasn't it a front line policing team in the Wirral who put together a billboard saying, "being offensive is an offence" to support pride. And then they decided to tweet the slogan.
So not only woke but ignorant of the law.

stillvicarinatutu · 01/09/2022 03:09

Yep being offensive isn't an offence.

Section 5 public order act removed the word "insulting " from the definition. It's not illegal to insult someone . So that's bollocks . A example of police going far to far the other way .....
I'm insulted all the time - for the job I do that was intended to help people.

ScreamingMeMe · 01/09/2022 07:09

Yes, if resources are so low, why the fck are they being wasted on hoing after people for 'offensive' social media posts and stickers? I don't think you can blame that on the current government!

People see Harry Miller getting arrested during a debacle about a meme on Facebook when they only got a crime number after they got burgled.

And it all seems to centre around a certain demographic, so it must be ideologically driven, if "woke" won't suffice.

Musomama1 · 01/09/2022 07:45

Yes I think resources are low hence the low conviction rate plus there's been a fair bit of social media coverage of the police mucking about with Pride stuff and silly social media 'complaints'.

Pride is controversial now because of the gender woo stuff, but the police have always been a presence there. Perhaps they are too overfamiliar now, I honestly think they should become politically partisan, especially because of the pic with them handling gimp dogs, I mean, come on!

And I think it's known there's a lot of 'diversity training' and pronouns in the force. They need to clamp down on how they treat women, have more resources and train staff to police better, save money & time on the 'woke' stuff for a start.

Hyacinth2 · 01/09/2022 07:53

Just the other day there was shock and horror headlines over stabbings - but the police get trashed over stop and search.
It's a no win situation imv.
The police will investigate crimes that are reported to them - they can't decide what to report so if someone says there are people harrassing others at the pride event (possibly lesbians) they can't stand back and say I'm not going to investigate this because they might be lesbians - they have to investigate it regardless.
They can't investigate things they choose to they investigate it is whatever is reported - they can't say oh he's looks a right trouble maker I'm not going to listen to what he says, I'll go and investigate the crime reported by a posh bloke.
This seems to be beyond the public's ken.

RaininginDarling · 01/09/2022 08:29

This is an interesting thread and my heart goes out to the officers stuck in the middle of this political madness.

I think the police, and actually all public institutions, should get off Twitter. Only a tiny fraction of the population are on it. Our police service needs to get back to serving the whole community and not some trendy, self-serving, reality-denying, sacred caste for likes. That would put an end to the ill-judged virtue signalling on social media (looking at you, latex-man-in-dog-suit "dog" handler)

Also: the new blasphemy laws, much like the old blasphemy laws, need to go. Noone has the right not to be offended. The creep of fascism is deeply disturbing.

ScreamingMeMe · 01/09/2022 08:48

Hyacinth2 · 01/09/2022 07:53

Just the other day there was shock and horror headlines over stabbings - but the police get trashed over stop and search.
It's a no win situation imv.
The police will investigate crimes that are reported to them - they can't decide what to report so if someone says there are people harrassing others at the pride event (possibly lesbians) they can't stand back and say I'm not going to investigate this because they might be lesbians - they have to investigate it regardless.
They can't investigate things they choose to they investigate it is whatever is reported - they can't say oh he's looks a right trouble maker I'm not going to listen to what he says, I'll go and investigate the crime reported by a posh bloke.
This seems to be beyond the public's ken.

The point is that they are investigating things that aren't crimes.

No idea why you have brought class into it.

Dragonskin · 01/09/2022 08:48

Felix125 · 31/08/2022 20:38

So, what would the public like to see...?

What things do you class as being 'Woke' that must stop and how will that help achieve the goals the public want

Well stop wasting time on policing supposed 'wrong think', and policing actual crimes would be a start. Someone being 'offended' isn't a crime

JellySaurus · 01/09/2022 08:53

Hyacinth2 · 01/09/2022 07:53

Just the other day there was shock and horror headlines over stabbings - but the police get trashed over stop and search.
It's a no win situation imv.
The police will investigate crimes that are reported to them - they can't decide what to report so if someone says there are people harrassing others at the pride event (possibly lesbians) they can't stand back and say I'm not going to investigate this because they might be lesbians - they have to investigate it regardless.
They can't investigate things they choose to they investigate it is whatever is reported - they can't say oh he's looks a right trouble maker I'm not going to listen to what he says, I'll go and investigate the crime reported by a posh bloke.
This seems to be beyond the public's ken.

Oh how naïve.

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JellySaurus · 01/09/2022 08:57

DuesToTheDirt · 31/08/2022 22:46

Well this is the top story on the BBC tonight. The lack of action from the police is frightening. (I'm assuming the story is accurate.)

From personal experience with an almost identical ongoing situation in my family - I can fully accept that report as accurate.

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ScreamingMeMe · 01/09/2022 09:04

JellySaurus · 01/09/2022 08:57

From personal experience with an almost identical ongoing situation in my family - I can fully accept that report as accurate.

I'm so sorry, that's disgusting.

RaininginDarling · 01/09/2022 09:05

JellySaurus · 01/09/2022 08:57

From personal experience with an almost identical ongoing situation in my family - I can fully accept that report as accurate.

So sorry to hear this 💐

ResisterRex · 01/09/2022 09:12

Here is the report in case anyone would like to read it. The part in the headlines is quite small compared to the rest of what's in it

policyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Crime-Policing-What-do-we-want-from-the-next-Prime-Minister.pdf

ResisterRex · 01/09/2022 09:12

I only posted a link to the Policy Exchange report! Not sure why my post was auto-hidden

glamourousindierockandroll · 01/09/2022 09:23

I think it's clever of the government to blame police officers themselves for an under resourced service that is not able to fulfil its role. They like to do it to the NHS and teachers too. Remember the recent backlash against the Civil Service? Of course there should be a better response to crime, but large community events are also important. With sufficient staff, they should be able to both.

Why do people hate it so much when police officers are seen talking to the public, being welcoming and showing an interest in the event that they are helping to facilitate? Would they really rather that they stood there like stony faced stormtroopers, glaring at anyone who passed?

ScreamingMeMe · 01/09/2022 09:25

glamourousindierockandroll · 01/09/2022 09:23

I think it's clever of the government to blame police officers themselves for an under resourced service that is not able to fulfil its role. They like to do it to the NHS and teachers too. Remember the recent backlash against the Civil Service? Of course there should be a better response to crime, but large community events are also important. With sufficient staff, they should be able to both.

Why do people hate it so much when police officers are seen talking to the public, being welcoming and showing an interest in the event that they are helping to facilitate? Would they really rather that they stood there like stony faced stormtroopers, glaring at anyone who passed?

What do you think about them hassling people for social media posts and stickers ("non crime hate incidents") though?

ScreamingMeMe · 01/09/2022 09:33

Looks political to me.

How significant is this report that claims the public feels police officers are "more interested in being woke than solving crimes"?
ScreamingMeMe · 01/09/2022 10:15

This Lucy Clarke seems like quite the misogynist as well. Great to see them fraternising with the police in that case! Like that sex offender from TikTok the other day...

How significant is this report that claims the public feels police officers are "more interested in being woke than solving crimes"?
Felix125 · 01/09/2022 12:34

Policing has changed though over recent times and its not able to go back to the crime fighting 'Gene Hunt' times of the past.

Domestic violence is a good example. In the past we would turn up to an incident and if there was an offence there, the suspect would be arrested. If there was no complaint/statement from the victim, the suspect would interviewed and released. Not a vast amount of time taken up by the officers. If it was 'just and argument' one person would be asked to leave the house for the night.

Now (from various 'lesson learned' type scenarios) we can't do that. In all events including the 'just an argument' scenario the victim has to be risk assessed which can take hours to do properly. If they come out as medium to high risk from this we have to put immediate safeguarding in place which could include transporting them out the area. Offences where the suspect has been arrested and there is no compliant isn't a simple write off any more. We have to put DVPN's in place (Domestic Violence Protection Notice). These can take all day to sort out as you have to amass all their domestic history, redact it all etc etc.

And this is all down to the attending officers to do - there is no one to simply hand this on to. So one incident has wiped the officers out for the day - may be longer.

So, now we have this process in place, do we go back to how it use to be.....?

Then we have all the missing from homes - often 'kids in care' who just haven't returned to the care home by the allotted time. The staff can't go chasing them so phone the police as a 'missing child'. Again they have to be risk assessed etc etc.

People in mental health crisis etc etc

Very quickly you lose your entire shift of officers. The other day at the start of a shift, from 25 emergency response officers starting, 18 were lost through safeguarding issues and hospital guards. 6 were lost to scenes, leaving one available - so even the missing from homes had to wait. And as for the handover incidents........

Do you want us to go back - or do you think we will be putting people at risk by doing so - and if we do go back, is society willing to accept that risk?

MarshaMelrose
The damaged windscreens - what people often do is not just take out the windscreen. They will throw the brick or iron bar at the 'A' pillar of the vehicle. This takes out the windscreen and damages the metal pillar so the windscreen can't simply be replaced. It has to go back to Ford, Peugeot to have the pillar replaced, welded, repainted etc etc. That's why its off the road for quite a while.
It happens to the brake lines - they won't just cut them in one place - but several places. Firework up the exhaust pipe - wont just be slipped inside. Its often altered so it has a longer fuse and rammed home to the back box and plugged, so it takes out most of the back of the vehicle.

We've lost loads through fire damage also using accelerants

Dragonskin
But if a victim phones to say they are being harassed by so called 'wrong think' posts on social media - do the police just ignore them? Or should we investigate to show the victim that the investigation presents no offences have been committed?

DdraigGoch
The assaults on the children, so an investigation has been completed by the officers and resulted in 2 arrested. For them to obtain a caution, they must have admitted the assault. The current government policy is to try and steer youngster away from courts and jail. So, what else could the police have done that would have been an acceptable outcome for you?

If there we no officers free at the time, they they couldn't attend straight away, but action was taken against the suspects.

MrsTerryPratchett
If it was a 'Pride' event, then it will have to be policed and those police officers tasked to police that event only - so they can't get diverted to other crimes that might be ongoing elsewhere. Most of these officers will have had their rest day cancelled to police it, so it will still leave the usual shift to police the rest of the district.

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