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How significant is this report that claims the public feels police officers are "more interested in being woke than solving crimes"?

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JellySaurus · 31/08/2022 11:48

Home Secretary should reform failing police forces - think tank https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-627323366^

Very pleased to see this statement, and the BBC reporting it, but is it going to make a difference?

How significant is this report that claims the public feels police officers are "more interested in being woke than solving crimes"?
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SongAtTwiighlight · 16/09/2022 02:03

Are you OK, hun?

stillvicarinatutu · 16/09/2022 02:05

MangyInseam · 16/09/2022 02:01

Yeah, I wish people would stop with this stupid shit of calling people men just because they say something they don't like.

Grow up. People can disagree with you even if they are the same sex you are.

I know . I bit . Sorry but I'm sick and tired of being sex changed just because I try and say something. That's offensive. I'm a ficking woman . I have a vagina which I pushed two children out of . I'm sick and tired of being called a man because I'm speaking something someone doesn't like .

stillvicarinatutu · 16/09/2022 02:09

I'm just gonna hide this now I think - before I get dragged into more madness .

Thank you to those who listened and engaged in a meaningful conversation.

You gave me lots to think about and I hope Bella doe gets a bloody good result from her complaint.

We might just have to agree to disagree on some stuff . I'll keep doing my job to the best of MY ability and championing the women and girls who are victims of crime .

I am definitely a woman though!

Goodnight and god bless x

SongAtTwiighlight · 16/09/2022 02:16

I would expect a serving police officer to not get into misogynist arguments on social media, for example. That's red flags. He's pissed off. Not just unprofessional, you're proud to display misogynist posts on public social media.

No - we should not have to tolerate misogynist police officers.

Felix125 · 16/09/2022 02:17

DdraigGoch
The point that pretty much everyone has been making is that if no crime has been committed, then the police shouldn't get involved. They particularly should not be sharing unproven allegations with third parties.
So you have no problem with him going into a female changing room then.
Other people on here seemed to have a problem with it and asked why aren't police stopping it?
We can't have it both ways

Would the presence of those dolls be enough for a magistrate to authorise a search warrant
No - nothing illegal, so you cant get a warrant to search for anything.
So, you would be happy for nothing about what we have discovered at Mr Smith's house to be recorded?

Flashing is a crime and will be investigated accordingly. So if you have an available unit to send, gather the evidence and put a case file together for CPS & court. Providing the witness is willing to go to court, can identify the person responsible & pick him out on an ID parade. Providing that officer can find a spare few moments in between all the safeguarding issues. And you can find a unit to send in the first place dependent on incoming emergencies.

This is my argument on here, the amount of woke things we deal with on a day-to-day basis is insignificant compared to everything else we have to do. It is this that is preventing us investigating & detecting crimes - not woke things.

Mr Brown regularly attends the local swimming baths.....
You don't have a crime of voyeurism or outraging public decency.
But lets just say we do - and he goes to court and is found not guilty, or the witness didn't want to go to court - and in the end Mr Brown walks free. Do we record this information or is all information held on Mr Brown about this case wiped from the system?

Or if a man gets arrested for rape 10 times, but each time he is found not guilty or gets off on a technicality - do we not record any information or intelligence on him? After all, he is guilty of nothing.

SongAtTwiighlight
The police keep on failing women and girls.
Not so - DdraigGoch - says we shouldn't get involved (as above)
We shouldn't record intelligence on people like Mr Smith which could keep them safe. If there's no crime, there should be nothing recorded.

So why aren't you police officers on this thread, so affronted by stickers and sarky comments on twitter - why aren't you making any real effort to investigate men who are reported to have committed actual sexual assault and rape?
We do, believe me, we do. Any rape job that we get is an automatic emergency. Victim get safeguarded and her initial contact phase is begun immediately. The Sexual Offence Medical Centre is alerted and a team is assembled to obtain the medical samples required. The suspect is arrested and is forensically swabbed, interviewed, bailed for forensics. This then gets passed on to CID to further the enquiries. Victim is further supported by a whole host of support agencies afterwards.

MangyInseam
Collecting information about non-illegal activities, especially that could be given to people like employers, is an infringment of civil liberties.
Really - how about if I see in a house a large 1 ton bag of fertilizer, numerous bottles of nitric acid, hydrochloride acid and acetone. Worth reporting a intelligence or not? Non of that is illegal to possess.

If i discover that a regular missing from home from a children's home (14 year old girl) who is vulnerable to child sexual exploitation is frequenting specific areas in a town known for prostitution and sex crime. Worth reporting?

If I discover a large lock-up that's full of large lighting rigs, tons of high grade soil, high grade plant food, extractor fans, hydroponic units. Worth reporting. I think it could be turned into a cannabis farm soon.

non of its illegal - do we just ignore it?

AlisonDonut
If you don't like it, stop keeping secret records about people and stick to actual illegal activity. Aka crimes.
So ignore any of the above examples and that of Mr Smith and hope for the best?

And I have explained a number of times why we can't concentrate on crimes. The amount of woke things we deal with on a day-to-day basis is insignificant compared to everything else we have to do. It is this that is preventing us detecting crimes - not woke things.

SongAtTwiighlight · 16/09/2022 02:21

Felix125

Word salad.

Sad, wilted, mouldy word salad.

stillvicarinatutu · 16/09/2022 02:24

SongAtTwiighlight · 16/09/2022 02:16

I would expect a serving police officer to not get into misogynist arguments on social media, for example. That's red flags. He's pissed off. Not just unprofessional, you're proud to display misogynist posts on public social media.

No - we should not have to tolerate misogynist police officers.

I'd expect a more intelligent and reasoned argument from someone on a feminist thread other than "you're a man "
What you accuse me of is frankly ridiculous when I'm a woman and in no way misogynistic. Ive probably helped more women / girls than you have . You're simply a keyboard warrior. Would you say this to my face ? I'm happy to talk and debate but I am truly sick of you saying I'm "he" and must be a man because I aren't agreeing with everything you say . It's insulting, sexist , prejudice and not true . Can you not see the irony in that ?

stillvicarinatutu · 16/09/2022 02:26

Hi Felix .
Fellow night owl? Do t shifts fuck up your body clock .

Felix125 · 16/09/2022 02:32

SongAtTwiighlight · 16/09/2022 01:46

Men like you really should not be members of any police force, anywhere, because you obviously hate women, and the proof is that you're here, right now, telling women how terrible we are for our stance for women's rights. And you've banged on about this for the past 36 pages.

You have spent 37 pages fighting women's rights and being an apologist for men's domination. You've obviously done the Stonewall police training - women are scum, unless they are "transwomen"!!

If that is aimed at me - then no I'm not

Where on this thread have i questioned anyone's stance on women's rights?
Where have i fought against women's rights?
What stonewall training have I done?

The thread is about are the police more interested in being woke than solving crimes?

I have argued that the amount of woke things we deal with on a day-to-day basis is insignificant compared to everything else we have to do. It is this that is preventing us detecting crimes - not woke things.

I have also asked the question about gathering intelligence on incidents the police become involved with and if it should be disclosed

We have also been side tracked by the technical specifications of Body Worn Vidoes and scripts from Monty Python - but that was not by me

Felix125 · 16/09/2022 02:34

stillvicarinatutu · 16/09/2022 02:26

Hi Felix .
Fellow night owl? Do t shifts fuck up your body clock .

Oh yes.....
Watching a film and still wide awake!

stillvicarinatutu · 16/09/2022 02:40

I'm on the queens gambit !

And I think the "you must be a man comments were aimed at me .

I must be a man because I've not agreed with one poster . Seems I've had a sex change and did t even know about it ..

Aren't shifts shit ? I can never sleep before 3 am these days . I'm blamed the menopause but if I've had a sex change can that still happen ? Confused

Nb. Not a man .

Felix125 · 16/09/2022 02:51

Queens Gambit was good - watched it a few months back

I thinks its funny that the thread mentions not listening to women and women's rights. But then it descends into saying that you are a man (despite you saying that you're not) because you don't agree with them.

Anyway, gonna try and get some sleep!

stillvicarinatutu · 16/09/2022 02:52

Felix125 · 16/09/2022 02:51

Queens Gambit was good - watched it a few months back

I thinks its funny that the thread mentions not listening to women and women's rights. But then it descends into saying that you are a man (despite you saying that you're not) because you don't agree with them.

Anyway, gonna try and get some sleep!

I know . I think it's called "irony " !
Sleep well. I'm gonna try in a bit !

AlisonDonut · 16/09/2022 08:13

Two things I heard about last night.

One, a female, told by the police to not use the word 'fruitcake' online, after a male tried to go after her for using the term 'fruitcake'.

The second, a woman who was conversing with a man on twitter. He took offence to something, she still doesn't know what, did podcasts about her, ranted about her, she reported it and the police did nothing. He however, called the police, in Norfolk, from New York and she got - yes a visit, Words of Advice, and a Non Crime Hate Incident which she cannot take off. And yes which will cost her her job.

How significant is this report that claims the public feels police officers are "more interested in being woke than solving crimes"?
How significant is this report that claims the public feels police officers are "more interested in being woke than solving crimes"?
How significant is this report that claims the public feels police officers are "more interested in being woke than solving crimes"?
Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2022 08:28

FFS.

AlisonDonut · 16/09/2022 08:35

I can't post on this thread any more without glitches.

I wonder if we need to start a police thread showing the insanity biased against women seperately?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2022 08:36

It's a thing which happens with long threads, I think.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2022 08:37

Is there any link to the Twitter spat?

AlisonDonut · 16/09/2022 08:44

I tried to post a link last night - but it just froze. I'll see if I can find it again. I think Fair Cop are now helping her.

AlisonDonut · 16/09/2022 08:50

twitter.com/ChampersChuck/status/1570058411374706690

Woman holds blank piece of paper on the Royal Mile and gets followed by the police.

Datun · 16/09/2022 09:00

Felix125 · 15/09/2022 19:29

Datun
So if we were on top of all crime - this wouldn't be a problem

Why do you think the police are perceived as woke and unable to solve real crime?
I don't think the two things are linked - or certainly not to the extent that crime is not being solved. Crime is not being solved for a whole host of reasons.

The amount of woke things we deal with on a day-to-day basis is insignificant compared to everything else we have do. It this that is preventing us detecting crimes - not woke things.

That's not what I asked.

I'll try again using the OP's wording.

Why do you think the public feels police officers are "more interested in being woke than solving crimes"?

Why do you think that is?

Datun · 16/09/2022 09:02

With all the various examples
being discussed on this thread and now, a woman being told that although she's not committing a crime, she's being rude to a man. And another being followed and harassed by police after she attended a protest, I'm still betting felix won't understand the public's perception.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2022 09:03

We have 56 posts left to get a clear answer without irrelevant derailing. Hope springs eternal.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2022 09:04

No, I got that wrong. 51 now, with this one.

Datun · 16/09/2022 09:06

Perhaps the non crime hate incidents could be graded?

Non crime disagreements?

Non crime womens protests?

Non crime reaction to transgenderism?

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