How significant is this report that claims the public feels police officers are "more interested in being woke than solving crimes"?

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Home Secretary should reform failing police forces - think tank https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-627323366^

Very pleased to see this statement, and the BBC reporting it, but is it going to make a difference?

so are you saying that there is something we should record on Mr Smith's activities with the dolls then?
Would the presence of those dolls be enough for a magistrate to authorise a search warrant to examine his hard drives and see if an actual crime has been committed? If so then apply for that warrant. If a magistrate isn't satisfied that you've got a case (rather than a fishing expedition) then that certainly isn't grounds enough for passing information on to third parties.

And where do we not take flashing seriously?
You mean apart from the well-publicised case involving a serving police officer? Well just ask the many posters on here who related their own experiences in the aftermath. Many felt that the officer on their case was minimising it.

How on earth I am supposed to make a victim of a serious crime feel assured & confident if i start off with the mantra that I'm not here to be liked?
Do you understand the difference between being liked and being respected?

*Mr Brown regularly attends the local swimming baths and enters the female changing rooms at busy times. When challenged, he claims to be female.

So if no crime has occurred (for example) or no-one has reported it to police and the police have just 'happened across this information' do we record it somewhere?*

You have a reasonable suspicion that a crime (perhaps voyeurism, or outraging public decency) has been committed so you start an investigation to see if you can find any evidence and witnesses to support the suspicion. If you find anything you either charge him or caution him (depending upon what's appropriate), then if he is convicted or accepts a caution he now has a criminal record that can be disclosed during a DBS check.

Or you could just harangue the pesky women who reported him, for being so dreadfully transphobic...

Which do we all think is more likely to be the outcome in the 21st Century? Answers on a postcard...

Nope ....this is the issue .

No crime has taken place . There's no allegation of voyeurism or anything else.

To arrest we need suspicion that a criminal offence has taken place .

What's the offence here ?

This is the crux of the issue ! Unless he's shoved a mobile phone under cubicle doors or stood wanking police have nothing ! Do you want a police state or dont you !?

This is our dimemma . This is what we are saying . This guy hasn't actually committed a crime yet he's obviously doing something- we can't arrest because we have no suspicion that a crime has occurred (unless someone tells us differently) so this is intel. We know there's a man saying he's a woman. Hanging around the womens change rooms but we have no offence to arrest him for - we just know it's noit right . We can't arrest for what we THINK he might be there for - we need suspicion, an allegation, the point is we are and should not be the thought police ! Isn't that the point of this thread? So do we just arrest him cos we THINK he's gonna do something?

Please consider this . It's what the thread is about. Arresting people, or visiting people because we THINK. They're wrong ? No . We need proof . We need at least suspicion. Someone has to say I suspect he's there because x y z .

What if he's a perfectly innocent man identifying as a woman with no I'll intent what so ever ?

This is that slippery slope . The one police have to try and stand in and not fall flat on their arse every single day .

Oh dear, David Cameron better watch out! news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4875026.stm

So why aren't you police officers on this thread, so affronted by stickers and sarky comments on twitter - why aren't you making any real effort to investigate men who are reported to have committed actual sexual assault and rape?

We know you didn't; we have Rochdale as proof of that.

Heavily biased ridiculous response I'm afraid.

I've worked one of the towns where grooming gangs operated and I can tell you now that the team I worked in were absolutely dedicated to bringing these men to justice .
One of our biggest problems? The fucking CPS ! We worked tirelessly on this . The cps kept throwing our cases out because our victims / witnesses were "unreliable " . Tossers . Our victims changed their stories because as they got to trust us they started telling us the truth ! The bloody idiots in cps deemed them "unreliable witnesses " and I can tell you now that GUTTED us police officers working on those cases . I've long said this will come back and bite them on the arse . You really do know nothing of the tireless efforts of the likes of me and my colleagues to bro g these bastards to justice. Posts like yours are an insult to those officers and those victims who were so bloody brave and trusted us to get them justice and we were ALL letdown by the fucking cps . That angers me more than I can begin to explain.

I've lost sleep over those cases and those victims.

This wasn't a police failing in the end - it was a CPS - crown prosecution service - failing. Hours and hours of work went into those cases . Heart soul blood sweat and tears . You've absolutely NO idea .

This might d of bias and prejudice and absolute lack of any real knowledge on those cases really does piss me off I'm afraid. What do you actually KNOW of those cases ? Have you sat and video interviewed any of those victims ?

I suspect not .

Well I have .

And I know way more than you do about it because I have set with those victims and taken their stories and tried to get justice .

You can pour all the scorn you like on me - you've no idea what lengths i went to for those girls .

I simply cannot a set this anymore because I'm just talking to people who know nothing but think they know everything! You have no idea what those jobs did to me and how I tried to get justice for those girls .
Absolutely clueless. Sitting behind a screen telling us how shit we are . No knowledge what so ever of the actual jobs or the victims or the difficulties that police face getting these jobs through a cps lawyer .

What have you done for those girls ? Sat behind a screen criticising the likes of me ? I tell you what I've done . I listened. I heard . I comforted. I tried my absolute best to get those jobs to court and prosecute the bastards that hurt them .

You ? You've probably read a piece i the guardian.

Do correct me if I'm wrong .

stillvicarinatutu

I don't believe you.

Read back through this thread. Read back through what you have written. We spotted your 'faux naif' stuff.

You do t believe me ? Really . Fine . I do t actually give a shiny shite . I know what I've done in my service and you I'm afraid do not . So go take a look g walk off a short cliff . Because those jobs actually hurt me . I worked in the CSE team and I don't give a monkeys what fits your narrative. You are just showing your true colours actually. Bravo .

You make me laugh !

I went to one job for a return home interview for a misper and ended up seizing her underwear which came back with a forensic hit ! I really do t care if your cause makes it easier to trash my truth .
It shows what you are .

I actually tried to get justice first these girls.

You have read about it . There really isn't a comparison. Sorry .

The point that pretty much everyone has been making is that if no crime has been committed, then the police shouldn't get involved. They particularly should not be sharing unproven allegations with third parties.

Ok.
I agree .

stillvicarinatutu,

On page two (2) of this thread, you told your tag-team buddy:

Felix - you'll soon learn that you absolutely cannot win on these threads no matter how often you patiently explain the whys and wherefore.

I generally end up hiding these threads because you will never ever be able to say the right thing .

Just interested in your gang, that's all.

We just let the trans man into womens spaces and changing rooms then because they say they're identifying as a woman , and that's fine by me . They've committed no crime . Who knows what their motivation is . They must just feel more comfortable in the womens changing room . They are a woman now after all cos they've said they are . No one would ever use that to gain Access to womens changing rooms just to letch would they ? No . If they say they are identifying as female , sporting a dress we just believe that . No ulterior motive at all . No point in listening to anyone saying otherwise for intel purposes. They're just being prejudiced. We have to respect a man in a dress in a ladies changing room of course . Absolutely. I fully agree . 100% .
And there I think we've gone full circle .

The police keep on failing women and girls.

I don't have a "gang"

stillvicarinatutu

Are you OK, hun?

What about the cps? It's not the police always failing women and girls . I dedicated hours and hours and hours to CSE if yku care to believe me . I didn't fail them . I took their testimony in dvd . I believed them . The cps would not run with the cases to court . Unreliable witness they said . Because their story kept changing. Yeah it did because the more they grew to trust me the more they told me ! I left that dept . Couldn't hack the bullshit.

Yeah thanks . You sing a head tilt ?

• doing a head tilt . ?

You're really helping you're cause . I salute you .

So you say. Easy to say.

Why are you, as a member of a UK police force, so virulently and doggedly against women who stand up for women's rights; and so willing to debase women on a public messageboard?

Do you understand that?

I don't t want to argue. I in principle agree with most
If you but I are t taking personal criticism anymore simply because I'm a police officer. Yeah I work for the man. That doesn't make me the enemy and I've really tried in my roles to champion the rights of women and girls . I've fought hard for them to be heard . I've worked with rape crisis and I gravitated to dept that needed a woman to help women . I'm gonna leave you to your debate. Good luck and I hope Bella forgets a good result. I'll keep an eye out.