How significant is this report that claims the public feels police officers are "more interested in being woke than solving crimes"?

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Very pleased to see this statement, and the BBC reporting it, but is it going to make a difference?

In my force we have been asked to update our protected characteristics.
The email says sex is the biological assignment you were born with
Gender is what you identify as in everyday life .

There we go - straight out of the Stonewall handbook. Both those statements are utter bobbins - no-one is assigned a biological sex and the majority of people don't identify as anything - that wording has got nothing to do with the Equality Act which is where the protected characteristics come from.

This sort of ideology is what we are talking about.

What 'stonewall' training......?
I don't know of any such course

So an incident is reported 'possible offensive sticker in the window' or something similar. Officers attend based on the initial report and decide no crime has occurred and the sticker is allowed to remain.

No arrests, no crime, no problem

The PCSO may be wrong but they've still terrified the bejaysus out of a woman over a period of several days. Most people still have some respect for the police, so when a police officer comes round and makes accusations and threatens consequences they are scared. They lose sleep. You spend too much of your life around criminals. A visit from the police with accusations isn't something most people can just laugh off.

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Must point out a pcso isn't a police officer- they're civilian police staff.

You've not heard of stonewall training? Have you been living under a rock?

She'd already had two officers round, for a complaint from a PCSO. How many more people hours should be wasted on a sticker?

It isn't no problem when you have terrified a woman and her daughter's at home for a sticker.

No problem? It's a very big fucking problem. How dare you brush this off as if it is a bit of fluff on your uniform?

No problem? It's a very big fucking problem. How dare you brush this off as if it is a bit of fluff on your uniform?

It's nice when people are so kind as to prove the point of threads.

Its down to how it was reported. So, the sticker in the window could be reported as:

1 - A sticker in the window expressing an opinion - or
2 - An offensive sticker which is breaking the law

If it gets reported in the second manner, you can see why the police may have to attend. In this case, when they arrive it turns out to be nothing. Sticker is not breaking any law and is allowed to remain. Job closed as no crime. PCSO should not have come back around

You tend to find that most jobs we go to are not as they are reported. Abusive person in the pub kicking off - and it turns out hes not. Kids in the street causing ASB - and there not

And the officers don't have to frighten or be nasty to the person at the address - you can easily have a conversation with someone without the need to frighten people.

A visit from the police with accusations isn't something most people can just laugh off.

This. It's wrong and a violation of freedom of speech in a democracy to target people for perfectly legal statements. As the Harry Miller case made clear. Get with the programme.

As Judge Knowles said in the initial judgment:

‘The effect of the police turning up at [Miller’s] place of work because of his political opinions must not be underestimated. To do so would be to undervalue a cardinal democratic freedom. In this country we have never had a Cheka, a Gestapo or a Stasi. We have never lived in an Orwellian society.’

If it gets reported in the second manner, you can see why the police may have to attend.

Yet they don't have to attend burglaries or other crimes against people? It's so urgent to rush round because someone has a sticker expressing a perfectly legal and reasonable view?

My priority list wouldn't include pandering to vexatious complaints that women believe in biological sex.

Over burglary and domestic violence? Child concern jobs . ? Really ?

"The effect of the police turning up at [Miller’s] place of work because of his political opinions must not be underestimated."

Stop minimising this type of action.

Over burglary and domestic violence? Child concern jobs . ? Really ?

You've completely misunderstood my post

Yep . I did . I've said as much . Sorry

No worries.

They drop onto an event queue.

I have explained before about this - priority jobs come first, then these drop down the list of priorities. the current demand mean that it may be weeks before you get to see an officer about a 'sticker in the window type' job. Unless you have hit it lucky when the job comes in and there is someone actually free.

Its down to how it was reported. So, the sticker in the window could be reported as:

1 - A sticker in the window expressing an opinion - or
2 - An offensive sticker which is breaking the law

It was a PCSO reporting it in the first place. I do wonder if the police need to add in a step which is 'what does the sticker actually say' before they send round two officers to investigate? And thank goodness no actual crimes had been reported that day.

Who is minimising that ?

Felix is, as they quite clearly don't think it's a big deal for some idiotic PCSO bully to turn up at a woman's house and put the fear of god into her for a perfectly legal sticker. My comments about what the judge said when he criticised the police were aimed at Felix.