Apparently mumsnet is next....

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Don't know if anyone knows any more about this? Kiwi Farms apparently under attack and mumsnet is next....

out this thread at Thread Reader App. threadreaderapp.com/thread/1564114107556585472.html

Anyone know what this is all about?

Oh catten

i am so sorry

ive just realised that I’m on the other thread and you may not have seen the first thread in which many posters explain…..doh 🤦🏻‍♂️

this thread www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4620584-antipodean-fruit-grower-statement

Update- kiwifarms has been blocked by Cloudflare.

blog.cloudflare.com/kiwifarms-blocked/

"This is an extraordinary decision for us to make and, given Cloudflare's role as an Internet infrastructure provider, a dangerous one that we are not comfortable with. However, the rhetoric on the Kiwifarms site and specific, targeted threats have escalated over the last 48 hours to the point that we believe there is an unprecedented emergency and immediate threat to human life unlike we have previously seen from Kiwifarms or any other customer before."

www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/sep/04/cloudflare-reverses-decision-and-drops-trans-trolling-website-kiwi-farms

"Internet infrastructure company Cloudflare says it has “blocked” a notorious trolling website that harasses and doxxes trans people, days after indicating it had no plans to do so because it regretted taking similar action in the past."

Wikipedia has some disturbing info on kiwifarms:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms

"Harassment campaigns by Kiwi Farms users are known to have contributed to the suicides of three individuals.[10] The Kiwi Farms community considers it a goal to drive its targets to suicide, and has celebrated such deaths with a counter on the website.[12]: 55, 61  They have used social media reporting systems to mass-report posts by harassment targets in which they've expressed suicidal thoughts or intentions, with the goal of reducing the possibility their targets receive help.[12]: 91"

Wikipedia is an unreliable source for anything in the vicinity of actual veracity. Everyone knows this, except you apparently

What the people on KF do is find things on the inter webs that their targets have posted themselves. No-one is paying off bent coppers for information or any other means of acquiring intelligence. That is not harassment or doxxing, not even if you squint. If their targets don’t want to imagine themselves feeling harassed they should stop reading about themselves on the site, and stop Googling their names.

There’s a lot of extremely candid plain-speaking and mickey-taking but the last time I looked that wasn’t illegal

Why would you feel the need to lie about that? They don't merely collect screenshots, they organise active harassment campaigns, they've had people swatted, they've been behind swattings and multiple death threats, and have goaded multiple people into suicide.

If that's fine with you then really need to take a good look at yourself.

Do you have anything to back up your accusations?

Firstly, 🥝 farms is not one person, or even a group of people acting in sync.

Secondly, if you make an accusation or claim on 🥝 farms, you back it up with proof or you GTFO. Claims that have been made about people by farmers are backup with photographic evidence.

"Claims that have been made about people by farmers are backup with photographic evidence"

"photographic evidence"? Do they play at detective and stalk people and take their photo without their consent? And then use these photos to try to justify making violent threats and other criminal activity?

Do they play at detective and stalk people and take their photo without their consent?

No, they don’t “touch the poo” (their vernacular and means you do not interact with the people you are talking about) they screenshot (take pictures) of what people freely share over social media for e.g. Twitter.

Hmm maybe we should take Twitter and KFs and MN all social media down then people would not be able to post stuff on one platform that people on another platform could discuss…. yes, let’s turn off the internet. Job done 🙄

No. I browse there regularly and I've not seen any of that.

What they do is hold a mirror up to people's own online behaviour, and mock it whilst also archiving it so a permanent record is kept.

Even with the cloud flare thing (the reasons given by cloud flare are very much denied BTW) the fruit farm is still operating.

"No, they don’t “touch the poo” (their vernacular and means you do not interact with the people you are talking about)"

There are a lot of media articles about the kiwifarms community responsible for stalking campaigns against transpeople amongst other crimes.

Screenshots can easily be faked.

They also have a subforum for posting hate threads against homosexuals.

Never seen that either, what's it called?

Oh and as previously mentioned they don't do screenshots, they archive. Totally different thing.

Have you ever been on the site? It came with quite a reputation when I first visited, and having been on 4-chan once (shudder) I was a bit concerned about what I would see there. Reality was, and still is, totally different to what I expected.

I have been pretty impressed with the modding and rules on KFs. They might fling around a lot of phrases / words that I wouldn’t use because they are offensive, but I have free will and am a grown arsed adult and can choose not to go there and be offended.

I’ve stopped bothering to respond to Marg, as I don’t believe they are posting in good faith. They seem to know a lot more about the site than their questions let on. Just the usual sparple.

let’s turn off the internet. Job done

Wouldn't that be just Jen dropping the box? Or maybe Jen could throw the box in an incinerator?

I thought DDOS attacks were illegal? Anyway, that's what it's about really; Some TRA/Twitch streamer has been campaigning to pressure Cloudflare into refusing service to Kiwifarms so that the site loses Cloudflare protection and can be brought down via orchestrated DDOS attacks.

I believe the 'failed fart actor' comment refers to the travelling TRA/Twitch streamer's attempts to get people to pay money to watch said TRA/ Twitch streamer's home-made 'fart porn'.

I'm too tired and Australian to risk posting comment..

If that's true then no, it's not OK. Neither is it when TRAs do it, e.g. what has happened to Kathleen Stock and JK Rowling. If TRAs campaign against what KF do and not what their own crowd do, then they need to take a long, hard look at themselves and what they stand for.

No, 'they' don't. Do you?

Does a forum with thousands and thousands of users get the occasional arse who makes stupid, possibly illegal comments? Yes. Is it dealt with, as it is on any other space on the Internet? Yes.

🥝 farmers can be brutal. There is a strict "don't touch the poo" rule. If you attempt to interact with a lol-cow for entertainment, you become a lol-cow.

Genuine claims are archived. Archives can't be faked. Maybe Keffals could archive some of their claims of threats? No? Funny, that.

I’ve stopped bothering to respond to Marg, as I don’t believe they are posting in good faith. They seem to know a lot more about the site than their questions let on. Just the usual sparple

at 8.15 yesterday they knew nothing about KF, now they are experts on it. Fast work

8.15pm!

Pretty much the entire world has seen at least one media article saying jk is a transphobe, do we all believe it? Well you do, but the rest of us actually read her essay

www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

So are all media articles absolutely one hundred percent true?

Screenshots in many places not just kf are saved by many many people, they cant all fake them the exact same way. That's just not even possible at all.

www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/cloudflare-kiwi-farms-keffals-anti-trans-rcna44834

Keffals also spoke out about sex and gender issues, and was doxxed on kiwifarms, threatened and became the target of stalking and harassment campaign. This includes being "swatted" (false accusations made about certain topics to get armed law enforcement to show up at the target's door).

So how come kiwifarms targeted keffals? Because kiwifarms don't like the viewpoint held by keffal?

What is the evidenced difference between what was said to have happened, what 'actually' happened, and what was set up to happen to create an intentional effect to gain what was wanted?

Because at this point if we're going to pretend JKR said what she didn't and go bananas about it, my ability to have faith in what is said being actually true and containing any kind of integrity is getting a bit limited.

I suspect a vast amount of this is either not happening at all or is being staged to create a lot of outrage in order to get what is wanted. While relying on people being gullible enough to believe it without checking.

"I thought DDOS attacks were illegal?"

Illegal for public Jane or Joe to do them, yes. Law enforcement however can do what they want to attack illegal websites etc to seize control or bring them down.

Considering the lies they still push about JKR I am inclined to disbelieve everything from TRA's. They are liars It's what they do.

’homosexuals’?

between this weirdly robotic language and repeatedly pointing towards illegal drugs on the dark web I’m really wondering if Marg has been taken over by a bot?

There is exactly one person in this thread whose every comment is bloody-minded, motivated smarm, innuendo, and non sequitur. You know who. They know who.