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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What rights don't transpeople have?

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CrossStichQueen · 29/08/2022 08:46

It's a question I have seen asked many times and it is rarely answered. When it is its usually a list of things that are not "rights" or a list of rights/demands not held by anyone else.

It appears Katie M has provided a list of Countries with each trans right they don't provide. KM has also provided source links however many just link to a chart with dots indicating the "trans right" that country doesn't have. No explanation as to why.
For example:

Albania - No legal name change at all.

Quick look and it turns out in Albania nobody can legally change their name. Anyone can socially change their name and change it on their passport and driving licence but nobody can change their BC. So this is not a right others have and trans are denied as implied by KM it is in fact the same rule for all.

While Albania like many countries is behind on LGB support/rights it appears that the lack of rights transpeople do not have are the same rights those who are LGB are also denied yet it seems only the fact that transpeople don't have them is what matters.

The list for each country is very much the same for those countries that share a geographical location/religion/culture and so the sources linked appear to be the same dot chart I mentioned earlier.

The UK list is interesting.

No legal gender recognition without mental health diagnosis. This only applies to changing your BC and the person must have medical support to state they have/had gender dysphoria. Nobody else in the UK has the right to change their BC

No legal gender recognition without spousal consent. This is so that spouses are not forced to be in a now same sex marriage without their consent once the transperson has changed their BC. Transpeople appear to want to remove the consent of others in a legally binding contract which marriage is

No legal ban on conversion therapy. The Conversion therapy ban in the UK is made up of 3 existing Acts. Sexual offences Act 2003. Criminal justice Act 1988 and the offences against person Act 1861. This covers all physical acts and medication abuse used in order to "convert a person's sexual orientation or gender identity". What the trans movement want is affectively counselling of transpeople banned. This means no transperson could seek therapy if they have feelings of GD or confusion around their gender. That is not a right.

No legal parenthood recognition. Any male or female who parents a child has the right to be legally recognised as either their mother or father dependingon the persons sex. Legally in the UK if you are the biological or adoptive parent you are legally recognised as mother if female and father if male. That right applies to all including transpeople.

No legal right to religious marriage. In the UK no religious organisation can be compelled to marry same sex couples so this is a right LGB people do not have also so why does it only matter for transpeople?

No practical access to trans healthcare. This is just a lie. Transpeople have the same access to healthcare as anyone else in the UK. What the source linked discusses is that some transpeople when polled stated they felt prejudice from some healthcare professionals which "put them off" seeking healthcare. While this prejudice is wrong it is sadly experienced by many different people due to their culture/racce/religion/sexual orientation. Transpeople have the same RIGHT to access healthcare un the UK as anyone else

I havent gone through the whole list but looking at certain countries the rights trans people claim not to have are either the same for all trans or not, women do not have those rights either or those in the LGB community also do not have those rights. It seems to me that the trans Community do not want equal rights or rights for women or those in the wider LGB community they just want trans rights (most of which are not rights) for transpeople only and screw everyone else.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/09/2022 01:04

You both believe you are adult human females.

And one is objectively wrong. Do you understand what a circular definition is?

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 01/09/2022 01:05

I can't see the value in any category of 'people who believe they are adult human females'

What purpose would that serve?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/09/2022 01:06

I've answered it.

Where? Please repost @Trying20

Trying20 · 01/09/2022 01:06

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/09/2022 01:08

Also I do not believe that all MTF trans people "believe they are adult human females" because they patently aren't and that would be absurd.

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 01/09/2022 01:09

Well I think I am going to have to give up on anyone telling me what I have in common with a TW that I don't with others of the subset of males.

I will check again in the am though in case that's become clear.

SongAtTwiighlight · 01/09/2022 01:09

We are women because we are adult human females. Female biology. "Cis" is a filthy slur against us.

"Transwomen" and "trans women" are always men, because they are human males.

In humans, mammals, there are only two sex classes: female, and male. One cannot, ever, transform into the other. Despite any and all hormones and/or cosmetic surgery.

And women are currently fighting for women's rights against men who are campaigning to deny us single-sex rights.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/09/2022 01:11

Do you? What was circular about my definition?

What are males who identify as women identifying with?

Trying20 · 01/09/2022 01:12

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/09/2022 01:15

So the sets includes:

TW by @Whatiswrongwithmyknee's definition
Women by @Whatiswrongwithmyknee's definition

No, that's just women, and two different types of men, as she clearly says 🙄

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/09/2022 01:17

This is hilarious 😆

SongAtTwiighlight · 01/09/2022 01:17

Women, girls = those conceived and born female with female biology.

Men, boys = those "NOT" conceived and born female with female biology

Why is this so confusing to some people? It's been bloody obvious for thousands of years. (To women's detriment, for centuries.)

Trying20 · 01/09/2022 01:18

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Whatsnewpussyhat · 01/09/2022 01:18

Being female is a fact not a belief.

A human male cannot be female.

I might have things in common with transwomen just like I would with any other male. Our sex class isn't one of them.

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 01/09/2022 01:18

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No you misread it. See what @Ereshkigalangcleg says

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Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 01/09/2022 01:02

I am probably far too trusting! I do think there is the odd person who is actually willing to properly think and maybe it's my religious upbringing, but I don't like to give up on someone who can be saved!

Fair enough!

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 01/09/2022 01:20

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But you've not yet shown any commonality between tw and women. So it's a fantastical and meaningless set?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/09/2022 01:21

You've just asked a random question that doesn't relate to my definition at all.

Well yes if you completely deny biological reality and don't believe there is any difference between the two human reproductive roles it's entirely irrelevant, I guess. Male/female isn't an actual scientific definition, it just appeared out of nowhere as an identity label. You do you.

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 01/09/2022 01:22

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Adult human females are anyone who believes they are Adult human females is not circular?

SongAtTwiighlight · 01/09/2022 01:23

No men.

Men cannot be included in the class Female, because the are class male. Men can never be women, because they lack the basic qualification of having a female body, Men have a male body.

This is not rocket science.

I have deep suspicions about anyone who has difficulty with this.

Trying20 · 01/09/2022 01:23

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/09/2022 01:23

You know you're talking absolute mince and so does everyone here @Trying20 so goodnight. Men still won't have become women when I wake up so I'm off to bed.

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 01/09/2022 01:25

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You've established no criteria at all! You are refusing to say what TW have in common.on with women that they don't have in.common with other men. It's It's a belief that they are adult human females as we've shown. It's not identifying as a woman. So what is it?

Trying20 · 01/09/2022 01:25

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