Lesbians not welcome at Gay Pride

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This is horrifying. Women (lesbians) told by police they are going to be removed because abuse is being hurled at these women.

Police do nothing about the person shouting the abuse.

twitter.com/GetTheLOutUK/status/1563490240912044033

Deptford People Project leader Lucy McDonagh interviewed here:

“That’s what ‘self-identify’ means: anyone can say they are anyone… So, rich, privileged people can claim to be marginalized.”

www.feministcurrent.com/2018/03/23/leftist-women-uk-refuse-accept-labours-attempts-silence-critiques-gender-identity/

I did not say out of touch generally. I said they largely had no previous experience of how the police can behave and appear to be taking it personally not understanding this is how the police are and much worse to anyone at all on the margins.

This is a total non-point. Many people are middle class, GC people are not more likely to be than trans activists. The point is that the police behave selectively when it comes to feminists v TRAs.

Why so many women were shouting and jabbing at me yesterday and not the men.

To go by a number of lesbian friends who are normally extremely strident on their feminism but suddenly very quiet on the subject of women’s rights in the face of the TQ+ issue, I would say they are very uncomfortable with being seen to be committing “wrong think” in an arena that is strongly liberal and lefty (I say that as a liberal lefty myself!). And that’s just in private, I should imagine “risking” being accused of being GC or transphobic at an event like a Pride march would be even worse, and so they go completely the other way and turn against protesters as a way of saying “I’m nothing like them, I haven’t committed thought crimes so don’t turn on me!” A PP highlighted the witch trials and the parallels are quite something.

I suspect there’s also an element of such women having stood against GC views to start with but now it’s becoming a more accepted view - plus all the court cases that have dragged the various horrors and hypocrisies of Stonewall et all out into the light - they’re having a hard time accepting that they were wrong. So they just dig in deeper.

As opposed to straight men in dresses (who feel like they might be women) declaring what Pride should be and who is welcome to attend?

I just wanted to say, CardiffPridedisrupter, how much I admire your bravery and strength of character.

"It takes a great deal of courage to stand up to your enemies, but even more to stand up to your friends." - J.K. Rowling

Thank you.

Andrew Doyle is on GB news at the moment talking about this with a lady from the march.

What an oversimplification. You know nothing about the backgrounds of any of the women I mentioned, or their experiences in life. People can be graduates and living comfortably in middle age even if they grew up in poverty.

The point of a protest is to cause disruption. That's how Pride started: it was a protest movement, not a carnival.

Read about the history of Pride.

"Around the country, groups began to plan their own commemorative marches. The first occurred not in New York but in Chicago on June 27, 1970. Around 150 marchers marched from Civic Center Plaza to Washington Square shouting slogans like “Gay power to gay people.” The same day, a small group of San Franciscans marched down Polk Street, then had a “gay-in” picnic that was broken up by equestrian police."
www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/inside-the-first-pride-parade-a-raucous-protest-for-gay-liberation-lgbtq

"The Stonewall riots in turn led to the birth of the Pride movement, where members of the gay and lesbian community took to the streets to demand an end to discrimination. This was a watershed moment in the fight for LGBTQ+ equality; members of the gay and lesbian community were making themselves visible and vocal in ways that could no longer be ignored."
blog.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/2022/06/01/first-20-years-of-pride-in-the-united-kingdom/

"On 1 July 1972, the UK’s first Pride march was held in London. The date was chosen as the closest Saturday to the anniversary of the Stonewall riots of 28 June 1969. The British Library cites the GLF and Campaign for Homosexual Equality (CHE) as key organisers. An estimated 2,000 people attended. Peter Tatchell, one of the organisers, said:
Our aim was to show that we were proud, not ashamed. Determined to come out of the shadows and stand up for our rights, we wanted to make ourselves visible and demand LGBT liberation."
lordslibrary.parliament.uk/pride-in-the-uk-50-years/

I never cease to be amazed by the arrogance of people who swan in here thinking we don’t the fucking history of pride!!

So a minority of people went to a event and then demanded the events to change for them, sorry but sounds kinda TRA like

Don't get me wrong I support get the L out, But within our current legal framework this just seems TRA like

There is little evidence of that knowledge.

If you know so much can you please recite pride history to me

Photos from first Pride marches.

www.smithsonianmag.com/history/first-pride-marches-photos-1-180972379/

And next, a quick lesson on how to suck eggs.

I suspect there are many straight people (particularly women) who see Pride as a big party and give themselves a pat on the back for being so woke and inclusive. Now that Stonewall et al have done their work on making T the group that needs lifting out of oppression, those people are simply expanding their 'I'm cool with the queers' schtick without employing any critical thinking - they are doing as they are told. Then these meany lesbians come along and try to ruin the party, and they think the right thing to do is turn on them, because as we all know, lesbians are the poor relations in the LGBT+ and are not as fun to party with anyway, compared to the gay boys and drag queens.

I suspect there are many straight people (particularly women) who see Pride as a big party

To be fair all the corporations being involved doesn't really lead you to believe that it's anything else.

And of course those straight partygoers will have no clue about the history of Pride and the real struggles that occurred and are still occurring behind the rainbow and glitter. No idea at all.

This is true. It's strange how the more fun and inclusive the party gets, the more sinister it really is.

Some more photos from the article linked by @antelopevalley

@GertrudeKerfuffle And it is still the same. Pride still has ordinary-looking women and men, men dressed up in women's clothing and some gay men wearing chaps. Both sides have always existed.

But with less corporate input in the past.

Well yes, corporates would not have touched the original Pride as gay and lesbians were so reviled by so many people.

Covered (albeit sparsely imo) in today's Times.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/928e879c-2704-11ed-a830-74a6c8fbb722?shareToken=50aa74001c10e608c4d06a00b9becb67