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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lesbians not welcome at Gay Pride

638 replies

ZombieMumEB · 27/08/2022 14:01

This is horrifying. Women (lesbians) told by police they are going to be removed because abuse is being hurled at these women.

Police do nothing about the person shouting the abuse.

twitter.com/GetTheLOutUK/status/1563490240912044033

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DdraigGoch · 29/08/2022 01:11

smallbutfaraway · 28/08/2022 16:13

That's odd, I thought you were just saying what all women really thought, but now it seems most women don't agree with you?

Being noisy doesn't stop the handmaidens being a minority.

stoplittlepotstop · 29/08/2022 01:18

AlwaysCocaColaz · 27/08/2022 19:19

Which is ridiculous.

They should have been allowed to fully participate as founders of the movement.

Pride as a protest was founded by a transwomen of colour who started a riot because of the persecution and victimisation of gay folks.

It bothers me that she is erased from the narrative, by a minority who claim others like her are erasing women. Please don't forget that.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/08/2022 01:49

Pride as a protest was founded by a transwomen of colour who started a riot

This isn't true.

Norma27 · 29/08/2022 06:30

@stoplittlepotstop it bothers me that people lie that pride was started by a transwomen. It was not.

334bu · 29/08/2022 06:41

stoplittlepotstop

FYI
Witnesses of the start of the Stonewall riot all say that the person who probably started the riot was a lesbian called Stormie Laverie. The drag artiste Marsha Johnson was by their own recorded account not even there that day.

Cailleach1 · 29/08/2022 07:43

stoplittlepotstop · 29/08/2022 01:18

Pride as a protest was founded by a transwomen of colour who started a riot because of the persecution and victimisation of gay folks.

It bothers me that she is erased from the narrative, by a minority who claim others like her are erasing women. Please don't forget that.

Unfortunately for the attempted rewriting of history (good for exposing the lie though), the person who you claim started the riot has stated they were not even there on that day, It is a falsehood that some people keep repeating. I wonder why people do that when it has been exposed as a lie.

Ya'll need to know what folks/folx have revealed before peddling porkies! If the person you referred to says they weren't even there, are you claiming they were? Unreality into reality?

Helleofabore · 29/08/2022 08:03

It is a falsehood that some people keep repeating. I wonder why people do that when it has been exposed as a lie.

I remember when Fred Sargent was banned from Twitter. I wonder why activists were so determined to have a person who WAS there banned from Twitter. It must have been very tiresome for them to have him debunk it constantly, by telling them who really was there.

And it wasn’t the drag artist (who I have never once seen proven that he was identifying as a woman…)

History has a habit of reverting to truth in generations to come when history has been changed through propaganda and not irrefutable evidence.

Wishful thinking and millions of voices repeating something that is untrue only temporarily changes the narrative.

LuftBalloons · 29/08/2022 08:43

You need to educate yourself @stoplittlepotstop

listen to what Fred Sargent says, as @Helleofabore outlines. He was there. It was NOT a “transwoman of colour” who started the Stonewall protests.

NecessaryScene · 29/08/2022 08:52

Actually, the Stonewall protests were started by British radical feminist Sheila Jeffreys.

She also wasn't there on the day, so it did take quite a long throw, but she was quite cross, and wanted to pre-empt what she could see was coming.

So GetTheLOut are just continuing her legacy.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 29/08/2022 09:26

Criticycle · 28/08/2022 21:59

So a minority of people went to a event and then demanded the events to change for them, sorry but sounds kinda TRA like

How did they demand the event to change for them?

StaceyToo · 29/08/2022 09:30

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/08/2022 09:45

BBC has amended their report and is now much clearer and actually informative. Good. Has quote from Get The L Out.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/08/2022 09:48

Thanks Stacey, do you have a link, or can say which GC accounts?

Artichokeleaves · 29/08/2022 09:54

Wouldn't it be nice if the BBC had the skills to create a balanced report first time, instead of rejig an article after everyone's already read it, when others have done the leg work for them of pointing out the problems with the article and the evidence they need to you know, do the journalism they're paid for?

It's like so long as the false info gets out there and spreads around first, it's fine to just pick up the pieces later on the back of other people's efforts to spoonfeed them their information.

What the hell are they still receiving public funding for?

FrippEnos · 29/08/2022 10:11

Cailleach1

It is a falsehood that some people keep repeating. I wonder why people do that when it has been exposed as a lie.

The more often you repeat a lie the more people believe it.

RichardOsmansXraySpecs · 29/08/2022 11:08

Norma27 · 29/08/2022 06:30

@stoplittlepotstop it bothers me that people lie that pride was started by a transwomen. It was not.

Now as a straight white woman, who knows nothing about Pride, I would've believed that.

I'm finding myself more and more on these boards as i'm so angry what is happening to women and I worry for my DD (I also worry for my DSs being influenced by the likes of Andrew Tate but that's another story and a battle I'm hopefully winning).
Lesbians being turned away from Pride you just couldn't make it up 😡
Where will this all end? I despair.

DameMaud · 29/08/2022 12:40

OldCrone · 28/08/2022 13:36

But that doesn't explain why there are so many compliant women. Why are so many women on the side of men who want to cosplay at being women rather than standing up for their own rights?

Has anyone ever managed to get an explanation from these handmaidens about why they have such a hatred of other women and why they are happy to see their own rights eroded?

I think the conditioning for women to be kind/accommodating/pleasing/put others first/be agreeable is deeply ingrained- in our individual psyche as well as culturally.

I know for myself that I have a growing inner conflict around this as I get older and know myself (and how the world works) better.

I notice that as I become more empowered- I disagree, assert myself, or express unpopular opinions more freely. When I do, often experience a visceral, shame-like response when others react negatively or with surprise to this- and the pull to go 'back into my box' can be so strong!

Part of the fascination of the current debate for me is the admiration and inspiration I feel for the strong, courageous women speaking out; because think they mirror aspects of myself I am struggling to express.

I think because I am becoming more conscious of the unconscious conditioning at play in my own behaviour and feelings, I am able to recognise the courage and power these women are showing. Where some women are not aware of this I think they feel a discomfort, even hatred for these women that they don't understand.

In Jungian psychology, when we are unconscious of the drives that motivate us (eg to be kind), and we reject (unconsciously) our desire/need to be assertive/powerful, for example, these become our 'shadow' traits and we can project these negatively onto others and want to attack them.

I can see this conflict in my self mirrored in society as a whole, and particularly in this current cultural conflict where there are so many women villifying or even attacking other women for being powerful, angry, assertive etc.

For millennia, we know that the archetype of the powerful, challenging, non- confirming woman has been rejected, feared and vilified (the witch). And I have been shocked to realise how much this is still ongoing despite the gains of feminism.

What's happening now has also really highlighted for me how this can be a personal inner drama that plays out as much as a cultural one.

mb2512cat · 29/08/2022 19:22

Even ISIS has a female wing. I’ll never understand it.

Hearach15 · 29/08/2022 20:18

CardiffPridedisrupter · 28/08/2022 12:57

I'm one of the lesbians involved in yesterday's protest in Cardiff. I'd say 90% of the abuse I received came from women and that's what's at the forefront of my mind today, the way that so many women have become not just the handmaidens but the frontline troops for the TRAs.

On the pavements women took up the chant 'Shame on you' jabbing their fingers in our direction. A group of very straight-looking women in frocks and full make-up approached me and after telling me I was being silly and making a fuss about nothing, went on to tell me I was disgusting before the police shooed them away. A couple of men dressed in skirts and tiaras yelled the kind of classic sex-based insults that men always yell at women. Two furious males, one of them very clearly with complex needs, were screaming in an out-of-control fashion and were restrained from launching themselves at us by the people they were with.

But the vast bulk of verbal abuse came from women. I know that at least one of the women who was screaming at me with absolute hate on her face is a lesbian and a member of various lesbian groups I once was a part of. So the question I'm asking today is why it's women who are so vehemently opposed to simple statements of biology. Why so many women were shouting and jabbing at me yesterday and not the men.

I think over the last 20 years or so I'd forgotten that being a lesbian and refusing to contemplate intimate relationships with men is the most radical and provocative position a woman can take and one that a lot of straight women have only superficial tolerance of. Pre-Covid one of my friends attended a Women's Place UK meeting where a highly-respected Labour female councillor with a long track record in improving women's rights got up to speak and prefaced her comment with 'I never used to have any time for lesbians but I feel sorry for them now'. Which tells you how low in the pecking order some women are to women who are generally supportive of women. The insult to lesbians, who have started and underpinned almost every women's organisation you can name, is staggering.

We thought the world had changed, but I don't think it has. Yesterday was like being back in the 80s and 90s. The hatred was palpable. It must be so hard to be a young GC lesbian coming out into this climate.

I'm tired: I'm rambling: I'm trying to process too much. I'll stop now.

"I'd say 90% of the abuse I received came from women"

This comes as no surprise to me as the overwhelming majority of lesbians and bisexual women are trans allies.

"Pre-Covid one of my friends attended a Women's Place UK meeting where a highly-respected Labour female councillor with a long track record in improving women's rights got up to speak and prefaced her comment with 'I never used to have any time for lesbians but I feel sorry for them now'."

Not surprising, most transphobes are just homophobes with a new hobby.

Hearach15 · 29/08/2022 20:21

ArabellaScott · 28/08/2022 19:34

I just wanted to say, CardiffPridedisrupter, how much I admire your bravery and strength of character.

"It takes a great deal of courage to stand up to your enemies, but even more to stand up to your friends." - J.K. Rowling

Thank you.

""It takes a great deal of courage to stand up to your enemies, but even more to stand up to your friends." - J.K. Rowling"

Transphobes are not friends of the LGBT community and never have been.

Hearach15 · 29/08/2022 20:25

CardiffPridedisrupter · 28/08/2022 14:37

Yes, we stopped the march. That was the intention. To disrupt and to get our point made. We did tell the police that we'd march on in front but they wouldn't let us. The Pride organisers obviously wouldn't have let us march in the parade.

Were you the couple with the children in rainbow fairy wings and rainbow leggings? You've clearly talked about sexual differences and sexuality. You've brought your children to a parade where they could see all kinds of kink on display, including gay men in chaps and bare bums, men dressed as babies, men in drag. Did you take them through the marketplace at the end of the parade? How did you explain all the dildos and harnesses and stuff on sale there to the children?

Pride has always been about sex and sexuality. It was never for children (and I've been attending since the late 1980s, when you could be sacked for being LGB). Anyone who takes children to it and is then offended by the word penis needs to stop and think a bit deeper.

"Pride has always been about sex and sexuality. It was never for children".

It really doesn't surprise me that transphobes support the return of Section 28. Pride is for people of all ages and children should always been made aware of the existence of LGBT people and culture.

OldCrone · 29/08/2022 20:25

This comes as no surprise to me as the overwhelming majority of lesbians and bisexual women are trans allies.

Can you explain why this is? Gender ideology is misogynistic and it also denies that homosexuality exists. Can you explain why so many lesbians are supportive of a homophobic misogynistic movement?

Not surprising, most transphobes are just homophobes with a new hobby.

So according to you, lesbians are homophobes. What makes you think that?

Hearach15 · 29/08/2022 20:27

Artichokeleaves · 28/08/2022 14:44

What kind of nutjobbery have we reached when it's highly progressive to take your kids to a parade to celebrate adult babies and bare bummed men in chaps and explain about lovely liberal tolerance while at the same time showing them that those females over there who are same sex attracted and say so and say no to having sex with males regardless of what those males want to be validated as by them, (and that's the one and only issue really) and are protesting this, are wrong and must be shunned and shamed and excluded for their bad sexual habits?

At this point we might as well be honest that it's Pride In My Penis marching and be done with it. Mens sexual rights movement.

"What kind of nutjobbery have we reached when it's highly progressive to take your kids to a parade to celebrate adult babies".

I simply do not believe you've ever been to a pride parade or party if you think this is what pride is about.

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