Lesbians not welcome at Gay Pride

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This is horrifying. Women (lesbians) told by police they are going to be removed because abuse is being hurled at these women.

Police do nothing about the person shouting the abuse.

twitter.com/GetTheLOutUK/status/1563490240912044033

I'm one of the lesbians involved in yesterday's protest in Cardiff. I'd say 90% of the abuse I received came from women and that's what's at the forefront of my mind today, the way that so many women have become not just the handmaidens but the frontline troops for the TRAs.

On the pavements women took up the chant 'Shame on you' jabbing their fingers in our direction. A group of very straight-looking women in frocks and full make-up approached me and after telling me I was being silly and making a fuss about nothing, went on to tell me I was disgusting before the police shooed them away. A couple of men dressed in skirts and tiaras yelled the kind of classic sex-based insults that men always yell at women. Two furious males, one of them very clearly with complex needs, were screaming in an out-of-control fashion and were restrained from launching themselves at us by the people they were with.

But the vast bulk of verbal abuse came from women. I know that at least one of the women who was screaming at me with absolute hate on her face is a lesbian and a member of various lesbian groups I once was a part of. So the question I'm asking today is why it's women who are so vehemently opposed to simple statements of biology. Why so many women were shouting and jabbing at me yesterday and not the men.

I think over the last 20 years or so I'd forgotten that being a lesbian and refusing to contemplate intimate relationships with men is the most radical and provocative position a woman can take and one that a lot of straight women have only superficial tolerance of. Pre-Covid one of my friends attended a Women's Place UK meeting where a highly-respected Labour female councillor with a long track record in improving women's rights got up to speak and prefaced her comment with 'I never used to have any time for lesbians but I feel sorry for them now'. Which tells you how low in the pecking order some women are to women who are generally supportive of women. The insult to lesbians, who have started and underpinned almost every women's organisation you can name, is staggering.

We thought the world had changed, but I don't think it has. Yesterday was like being back in the 80s and 90s. The hatred was palpable. It must be so hard to be a young GC lesbian coming out into this climate.

I'm tired: I'm rambling: I'm trying to process too much. I'll stop now.

I think it's like the 'it's ok to make up evidence and harass and bully and lie to get rid of a site if it's mean and nasty.... but not twitter or reddit which is full of death threats and rape threats and paedophilia and other such stuff because that's righteous mean and nasty'.

It's never about what it's claimed to be about. It's always just shutting up those saying things the TQ+ political lobby don't want heard. Its always about punishing heretics, and if you're righteously punishing a heretic then anything you do is righteous and justified.

And anything the heretic does, including breathing, is evil.

So depressing that women throw themselves in to the Support Dog role

CardiffPridedisrupter

so sorry 💐

its a shite state of affairs, incredibly hard for you all

What a depressing read, though I am sadly unsurprised ☹.

I'm so sorry that things have gone so far backwards.

I'd forgotten that being a lesbian and refusing to contemplate intimate relationships with men is the most radical and provocative position a woman can take and one that a lot of straight women have only superficial tolerance of.

Nailed it.

So much of this comes down to deeply ingrained misogyny, entrenched in culture, entrenched in people, that

• a space serving only females and not useful to males is unjustifiable, selfish, not right, wasted space that should be redirected
• a female who is in possession of female biology and gatekeeping it from being accessed for sexual service of males is unjustifiable, selfish, not right, and is either wilfully defiant and needs conquering by the righteous, or is messed up beyond retrieval and should just be shunned or got rid of.

We haven't moved on in any way from the large crowds of women who would gather in crowds to shout in churches to shame the wicked sinners, confiscate children off the feckless to ship them to Australia and Canada, gather at the witch trials - there's a lot to be assessed in how females when their only power is to serve male interests get right behind that service, but frankly the enjoyment of a good old shout and shame and mob mentality in the name of whatever righteousness or fad is currently passing through really is a big human thing.

It's the hypocrisy of this lot shouting 'love!' and 'inclusion!' as they scream violence and hate at homosexual women for having resisted the hostile takeover and forced rebranding of homosexuality that sticks in my craw. If you're going to hate on females for resisting cock then own it and be bloody honest about it and stop claiming you cover yourself in rainbows because you 'love gay people'.

It is strange how the PN chappie says something along the lines of 'Have you something against transgender people?'.

That is like saying to someone who is same sex attracted 'Have you something against heterosexual people?'

PN chappie's affected, faux bewilderment is dishonest, as well as being offensive.

When he says that Pride is being led by a group of people "against transgender rights" [sic]. Incomprehensible that anyone could be for women's (including Lesbians) rights. Maybe he'd rather the current zeitgeist of it being led by people against women's rights. Maybe the chappie (and all his chappie prioritising friends) would rather that. They don't seem to be able to compute anyone giving a flying f*ck about women's rights.

OMG the BBC don't even mention Get the L Out!

@CardiffPridedisrupter
Powerful comment. The handmaidens issue is so baffling, depressing and infuriating, but rings true for me from what I see and hear.

The insult to lesbians, who have started and underpinned almost every women's organisation you can name, is staggering.

This, with knobs on. Where is the respect? Women in this country owe brave and committed lesbians pretty much all the gains made. Speaking as a straight woman I am profoundly grateful, even if others aren't.

Brave women. All the dudes tut tutting.

So sorry you had to listen to all that @CardiffPridedisrupter 😞

@CardiffPridedisrupter many women here are fully behind you.

way that so many women have become not just the handmaidens but the frontline troops for the TRAs.

I see it as having an added thrill for misogynistic males, that they can enforce domination of women by using other women. They can completely erase there is any problem for women as a sex by pointing out the compliant women and to the bystander it just looks like a "People's Front of Judea" squabble.

And I don't just refer to MTF male people, but many other male people too.

So sorry this was your experience @CardiffPridedisrupter The world seems to be hurling itself backwards at a rapid rate of knots.

But that doesn't explain why there are so many compliant women. Why are so many women on the side of men who want to cosplay at being women rather than standing up for their own rights?

Has anyone ever managed to get an explanation from these handmaidens about why they have such a hatred of other women and why they are happy to see their own rights eroded?

Can I just say that if anyone would like to turn their good wishes and support into a something material, a brief spell of gardening for the LGB Alliance would be greatly appreciated. Their allotment is looking a little better but still needs watering.

But that doesn't explain why there are so many compliant women. Why are so many women on the side of men who want to cosplay at being women rather than standing up for their own rights?

Because it's harder to stand up against the crowd, and be called ugly, a bigot, a terf or a boring prude or old fashioned or whatever.

I remember studying the English witch trials of the 17th century and while the vast majority of the accused were women, women made up 50% of the accusers as well. why did they do that knowing what happened to women guilty of witchcraft? It goes back to who has power & what happens to those who are deemed ti go against the accepted behaviour of the community or push back

basically men have the power & women who publicly don’t go along with TWAW are abused & harassed. Far easier to go along with TWAW & not get abused

I'm a lesbian and married to a bisexual woman, we don't go to pride anymore. Pride isn't for women unfortunately, it's been taken over by men and is now pretty much just a kinkfest.

@OldCrone I think this has everything to do with the 3rd Wave of feminism repudiating all the brilliant hard theoretical and practical work of the 2nd Wave.

The 3rd Wave was pro-porn, femininity, slut-walks, etc., basically man-appeasing feminism. They did nothing to build on the practical gains of the 2nd Wave and detached their daughters from knowing and respecting their feminist foremothers. Frankly I could see this day coming and I'm not surprised.

The idea of the future = progress is false. Women need to constantly work to enforce our rights, for Lesbians to be respected. Right now women are going through 70s style consciousness-raising and grass-roots organizing and that's good.

What Pride are you talking about? Pride happens in many different Cities and Towns.
I went to our local one and it certainly was not a kink fest.

@CardiffPridedisrupter you didn't just try to march in front did you? You stopped the march. Especially the lady in a mobilty scooter who didn't move with the others.
Not everyone is seeing the whole picture.

There might have been one or two angry people (I didn't see it) but generally there was samba music and people waiting to continue. I was stood right next to you with my very young children. I think the penis banner was uncalled for at a family event. Assume the police agreed as it was soon put away.

I hope you enjoyed the rest of your day. Did you go to the event site? I thought it was excellent and well planned for families.

I've made a formal complaint about that BBC News article. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-62701100

Nobody reading that who hadn't seen the various tweets and other social media reports would have any idea what the protestors were protesting about. The natural assumption would be that the protestors were Westboro Baptist types or similar, and the casual reader would think 'Good for the police' and move on.

Thank you for standing up for Lesbians ❤️