Lesbians not welcome at Gay Pride

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This is horrifying. Women (lesbians) told by police they are going to be removed because abuse is being hurled at these women.

Police do nothing about the person shouting the abuse.

twitter.com/GetTheLOutUK/status/1563490240912044033

"No self-respecting LGB person I know attends Pride any more because it sold out to commercialism years ago."

"Odd because ... 90% of my LGB mates go."

It honestly just writes itself, doesn't it 😁

Yes Pride is an event for the LGBT community. Do you know what the T stands for?

"You could not do a compilation of feminists yelling at and disrupting trans events"

"This exactly what Get the L Out did at Pride"

when you're right, you're right.

LGBT people are a distinct community within the general population with distinct opinions.

Why do you think polls are weighted by age, gender, region and voting record? Because those are distinct demographics with distinct views.

Poll 1,000 people aged 18-24 and they'll have different views to those aged over 65.

Poll 1,000 LGBT people and they'll have different views to 1,000 straight people.

1,000 women will have different views to 1,000 men and as we saw in the EU referendum people in Scotland have different views to those in England and Wales on Brexit.

Hope that helps! always happy to teach you about politics as well as LGBT issues.

All about the LGBT community actually. If you think it's only about the T it shows how little you know about the event.

Yes Pride is an event for the LGBT community. Do you know what the T stands for?

So if trans people are included in something that's for them as well as other groups of people, you are happy that that is a 'trans event', yes?

"So you admit pride is a trans event, refreshing honesty for once."

Not sure why you think it's a "gotcha" moment when I say an LGBT event includes the T.

That's not what you said.

What was transphobic about the banners that Get the L Out had?

Poll 1,000 LGBT people and they'll have different views to 1,000 straight people.

"LGBT" doesn't correlate with being "non-straight". LGB does. There are many straight trans people.

How come various new standalone ‘Trans Pride’ events have popped up in recent years, Hearach15 ?

(Trans Pride Brighton 2013, Trans Pride Leeds 2018, Trans Pride London 2019)

LGBT people are a distinct community within the general population with distinct opinions.

I'm straight. I think the Tories are bad.

Are you genuinely arguing that LGBT people think differently from me BECAUSE OF their sexuality or trans status?

Did you actually mean 'distinct' there or is it just another example of using any old word regardless of what it actually means? I genuinely can't tell with this homophobic crap.

"1,000 women will have different views to 1,000 men"

Break this down. Do you mean that each woman thinks the same as the other women, and all the men think the same but different from the women?

Do you think that any woman and any man might share the same 'views'? Can you give an example of a single 'view' where what you have said would be true?

You're either just plainly embarrassingly incorrect and posting untruths or don't know how to use words to accurately say what you're trying to claim. Have a go.

Why do you think polls are weighted by age, gender, region and voting record? Because those are distinct demographics with distinct views.

People from different regions have views that ONLY THOSE PEOPLE IN THOSE REGIONS have. And presumably when they move across a regional border, they change their views to fit their new region. Right.

We’re any of those other groups of lesbians abused and kicked out of Pride parades though?

The LGBT community is very strongly in favour of trans rights, no matter how much transphobes/the LGB Alliance may wish it were not the case

Could you kindly tell us what actually are these 'trans rights' you are in favour of?
We've all been asking for years but bizarrely, no one ever seems to be able to give coherent answer?

Exactly what 'rights' do they need that they don't already have the same as everyone else?

Other than allowing male people access to any and all female only spaces, sports and everything else put in place to legally and physically protect female people on the basis of their sex?
Because if that's what you are actually in favour of you might want to question why you're prepared to have protections of ALL females removed to accommodate the feelings of a few males, which would be blatant sex discrimination and female oppression.
You're ok with that though I guess?

Hearach, please can you list the 'distinct genders' ? I see you are erasing the existence of bigender people.

"Are you genuinely arguing that LGBT people think differently from me BECAUSE OF their sexuality or trans status?"

LGBT people have different life experiences and their views are shaped by this. Poll any group of LGBT people and they will be much more in favour of marriage equality than a group of straight people, as an example.

Not sure why you think this a controversial statement.

That isn't a controversial statement, but you said they have 'distinct views' which is completely different.

Do you think LGBT people have distinct views from straight people? I.e. in my example, they would not think that the Tories were bad, because I am straight and I think the Tories were bad, therefore they could not share this view, because you state the views as a group are distinct.

"Do you mean that each woman thinks the same as the other women, and all the men think the same but different from the women?"

No I mean women as a group overall often have slightly different views to men as a group.

e.g.

"Majorities of both men and women express support for legal abortion, though women are somewhat more likely than men to hold this view"

www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

If you used 'distinct' but didn't mean it, please can you just say? It will avoid further misunderstanding. I did ask in the post you quoted but you didn't answer.

'Distinct' means 'different'. And yes, the average LGBT person will have a different views to certain matters than the average straight person.

Same as the average Scot will have a different view to the average English person on many matters.

This is Politics for Beginners but I'm glad I can help you.

No I mean women as a group overall often have slightly different views to men as a group.

e.g.

"Majorities of both men and women express support for legal abortion, though women are somewhat more likely than men to hold this view"*

No - those two things don't mean the same thing.
'More likely to hold a view' doesn't mean that the views themselves are slightly different, which is what you keep stating.

It doesn't say anything about the 'similarities' in views - indeed, how would this be measured?

You struggle to understand basic political concepts. I get that now.

'Distinct' means 'different'.

Not when you're talking about statistics, no it doesn't. It means discrete. Not overlapping in any way.

Oh dear!

Feel free to answer literally any of the questions I've asked, then. We can all see that you can't.