There’s a male in the women’s 200m final today

[NotBadConsidering]

Christine Mboma. Lane 4. Denied a woman a place in the final. May well deny a woman a medal. Will definitely push women down a place regardless.

The awful irony is Mboma needs to win to demonstrate advantage and allow World Athletics to bring in a ban, but doing so will deny a woman success today 😡.

[Dreikanter]

Another woman to add to the list of women denied their rightful medal - Natalliah Whyte.

[ageingdisgracefully]

Waiting for Johnson to say something...

[ChateauMargaux]

@IvorCutler .. it is totally different to trans athletes competing. You are right. And again, the Court of Arbitration of Sport is great on this topic.. it explains clearly that yes.. it is difficult and unfortunate if someone has always believed themselves to be female but the segregation by sex category is a reasonable discrimination in order to allow females to have a fair competion and that the rules need to applied to everyone.

[viques]

@ageingdisgracefully

Waiting for Johnson to say something...

He commented on Mbonas lack of form following injury! Not good enough Michael.

[littlbrowndog]

I don’t even understand and don’t want to understand why the dsd athletes can run in some events and not others. Doesn5 make any logical sense.

and why in some commentary we are told they are dsd athletes but tonight we weren’t told

it’s erm gaslighting to spectators. On tv or in the stadium

[viques]

On a positive note the young Nigerian woman who won silver was terrific, well done to her.

[littlbrowndog]

michael will never say anything He will loose all his jobs for sure.

[StillHappy]

@IvorCutler

I agree.

Where would they actually belong @StillHappy?

They are male, so obviously in the male category.

This really isn’t complicated; humanity is all either male or female. Males compete in the male category, females in the female category.

[StillHappy]

@IvorCutler

Genuine question, if someone told you you were male after a blood test, after having lived your life up until now as a female what would you do? Would you change occupation, partner, hobbies etc? Or would you continue as you are?

What do you mean? There are not hobbies, careers, partners occupations etc that are reserved to one sex or the other.

Some of the questions that you put ask are utterly ridiculous.

Indulge me, please, and tell me which hobbies you believe are only for males or only for females.

[CharlieAndTooManyCharacters]

I think it’s extremely unlikely that a genetic test for elite sport would be the first indication that they were not actually female. They have - very clearly - been through male puberty. They will have noticed both significant signs of this and the complete absence of female puberty.

[xalo]

Would have been interesting if Dinah A-S had been fit and cheated of a medal...

[xalo]

Dina

[CharlieAndTooManyCharacters]

If I suddenly discovered that I was male (in my 40s, having had several pregnancies!), and I worked as something where my being male was an issue (say, carer for a disabled woman with responsibility for intimate care)… yes. I’d totally decide that, given the new information, this was not an appropriate job for me. I may not feel comfortable caring for men in the same way, for all sorts of reasons. So I’d probably find something more appropriate to do.

[NotBadConsidering]

The fact there is a smattering of posters across this thread is precisely because the BBC never explains the reality of what’s going on with athletes like Mboma. If they did I wouldn’t have had to waste time writing complaints to them about their articles on the subject 🙄.

[NotBadConsidering]

*Smattering of posters who have no idea about the reality

[Helleofabore]

I wonder, have any of the posters who entered this thread declaring that Mboma was either female or a woman, now actually gone off and done any research?

Or are people so entrenched in being kind and inclusive that they won’t go and find out more by themselves to get a deeper understanding?

And they so entrenched that female sports should allow males that they, the posters, have sympathy for to compete regardless of the current studies that can be extrapolated to those athletes?. AND the anecdotal evidence which is absolutely clear when you look at the Rio 800 m as a culmination of when you get 3 in racing fitness competing in the same event and see their consistent performance?

And so entrenched why? Inaccurate (although forced) mainstream media reporting? Activist activity? Repeated tired old trope? Why? What has informed this opinion that is so sticky?

[MrsJamin]

It is so very very frustrating that Semenya and now Mboma are deemed 'women with high testosterone' (if it is even mentioned by journalists), AND that people believe you can be genuinely 'between sexes' which results in all these clueless (sorry but they were) people who spout such mistruths naively in these threads.
Natalliah Whyte from Jamaica - I'm truly sorry that a bronze medal was stolen from you today. 😕

[littlbrowndog]

@MrsJamin

It is so very very frustrating that Semenya and now Mboma are deemed 'women with high testosterone' (if it is even mentioned by journalists), AND that people believe you can be genuinely 'between sexes' which results in all these clueless (sorry but they were) people who spout such mistruths naively in these threads.
Natalliah Whyte from Jamaica - I'm truly sorry that a bronze medal was stolen from you today. 😕

Yes that she lost her medal

[Davros]

It would have been great with today being the anniversary of Jamaican independence. I saw all sorts of celebrations going on today on a longish drive through north London

[nolongersurprised]

@HangerLaneGyratorySystem

Clearly some people have read up more on this than I, but if this person was born intersex and was brought up as a female, in what sounds like pretty difficult circumstances, what do posters expect them to do? Genuine question. Do you think they should not have pursued a career in sport?

I don’t think enhanced chance of success in female sport should be an option for them, in spite of the DSD and difficult life. Women’s sport should not be a consolation prize for men with disorders.

[xalo]

Waiting hopefully for a tv documentary or newspaper investigation exposing this scandal...

[puffyisgood]

Mboma looks to have put some muscle on compared to last season, as I suppose you'd expect from a 19 year old male who probably grew up with less than perfect nutrition. Wasn't quite fit enough to do any real damage in the final but still quick enough to medal. I think she can threaten the WR if she stays fit and is allowed to compete with women for the next couple of years.

[Zeugma]

@MrsJamin

It is so very very frustrating that Semenya and now Mboma are deemed 'women with high testosterone' (if it is even mentioned by journalists), AND that people believe you can be genuinely 'between sexes' which results in all these clueless (sorry but they were) people who spout such mistruths naively in these threads.
Natalliah Whyte from Jamaica - I'm truly sorry that a bronze medal was stolen from you today. 😕

How many threads have there been on here in which posters explain very, very clearly and informatively (including on this one 👆👆) exactly why Semenya, Mboma et al are not entitled to race with women? And yet every single time, people still come back trotting out the 'but why can’t you all just be kind to this poor woman with naturally high testosterone? line.

Thank you to all the expert posters who have far more patience than I do, and who calmly and persistently continue to repost the relevant scientific information. Perhaps one day it will finally sink in? (the triumph of hope over experience, but still….)

[Plumtreebob]

There was absolute outrage (rightly) when the Spanish Paralympic basketball team won Olympic gold in 2000 and turned out not to have any sort of disabilities. To me this is the same thing, lying so you are competing against athletes who have no way of overcoming the biological advantage you have.

I wonder is Mbonas et al ever feel a sense of pride when they look at their medals knowing they basically cheated to get them.

[MrsJamin]

What's amazing really is how well these people do when they have a normal level of testosterone and then are coached - that they can reach finals of international competitions, even with injuries! It shows what a massive sporting advantage a male body is and how no one with a male body should be in women's sport, no matter what their sob back story is.