80 year old woman banned from pool for standing up for little girls

[Misstache]

This poor woman dedicated her life to defending women and girls. She heard a male voice while in the shower at her local pool, looked out and saw a TW changing near 4 or 5 little girls while staring at them. She stepped in, asked if the TW had a penis, and got banned and the pool staff threatened to call police on her. They lied and said she said all kinds of profane things. This is so disgusting. I feel so bad for her.

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Trans ideology is basically enforced pretendiness. Women are being forced to pretend that we don't have experience-gained knowledge of the worst of male behaviour. It's like expecting a gazelle not to have a look when it hears a rustle in the grass because it's probably a zebra and not a lion (and then calling it a claw-obsessed bigoted weirdo when it does).

What about a man? Not a TW like the one in this story but just a man who wants to be there? Is that ok? And if not, how can we tell the difference?

Go ahead and hurl abuse at me.

I have my bingo card out and I'm confused. Is this a variation of the dishonest, "both sides as bad as each other", or do I need to add something new which reflects a complete inversion of the truth; that would be consistent with the ideology generally. I remain open to the possibility that this is retro TRA where words are "literal violence", it's a bit 2018 but I don't mind a trip down memory lane.

Once again, it was one woman’s perception of what was happening. Flag it with the pool or report it to authorities. Don’t ask the person what their genitalia is.

I was once shopping with a friend who was stopped for suspected shoplifted (she wasn’t) because she ‘looked like she was on benefits’. My husband was once out with his Pakistani friend who was stopped for a search because he ‘looked shifty’. And then the police let him go without search when they realised he was with a white person.

Bias in action. If you have concerns, report them appropriately.

You’ve taken a pretty massive leap to say that a trans woman using the same facilities as born females must be a peodophile based on the say so of one lady. I’d rather share facilities with a trans woman than a bigot.

That’s for the establishment’s policy makers to decide.

Paedophile excusers. Lol. OK.

How can they decide this? If they allow TW then how can they exclude men?

Julie Jaman is an absolute hero! She stood up for young girls placed in a vulnerable position, was verbally abused by the pool staff but didn't let it lie and brought it to the attention of the whole community. But in this contorted world we are living in, despite Julie's best efforts, girls at the pool still cannot change safely and as mentioned in the article some will stop swimming because of it.

In practice, this policy allows in women, girls, TW, and any men who decide they want to be in the women's changing room, for reasons of their own. There is no way to exclude the last group.

No, she put two and two together and got a big fat fucking FOUR.
In what world is it ever okay for a MAN to be in the female changing room watching young girls? And you're actually defending this?

yes. They are. They are defending this.

Once again, it was one woman’s perception of what was happening.

Safeguarding is everyone's responsibility. It doesn't become less of a concern because only one woman stepped up to do something about it. Women fear men's aggression when men are challenged.

Flag it with the pool or report it to authorities.

Whose response is to support the male's right to watch little girls getting naked and to punish the woman for safeguarding them.

Don’t ask the person what their genitalia is.

Perhaps she should have been somewhat more forthright. sSomething along the lines of "Take yourself and your penis out of this female changing room and away from little girls."

So no answers to this post?

None at all it seems.

People are really falling over tensions to defend this. Can you not admit a trans person was in the wrong for once, will you gross mushrooms from your head?

I wish I had Didimums skill/gift of being able to tell which male who is in the presence of little girls undressing is a good none pervert male and who isn't!

Even if this one particular TW is not a paedophile, the ideology that you are defending in general has the potential to allow men of ANY description into the spaces reserved for women and girls.
How do we tell the difference between the "bad" men and the "good" ones?
We can't.
Therefore, it is safest to simply keep ALL men out of these spaces.

There is no way for "policy makers" as you put it, to discern who has an "innocent" reason for being in a women's safe space.

Why is it appropriate for ANY male to be in there? Because he "feels" like a female? What does that mean?
Most importantly of all, why should his "right" to be there trump the safety of the girls and women using that space?

Allowing males into these spaces increases the risk that a paedophile WILL be able to enter unchallenged on the basis that this ideology makes it acceptable for them to be there, and those challenging males in women's spaces are deemed bigots and transphobes.

I'd love to know which one of the apologists reported my post. That's the first one of my posts deleted, I guess I'm really part of the club now.

I suppose the truth hurts. Maybe have a look at yourself and who you end up defending. Having me deleted won't actually change how bad what you're defending is.

Asking a stranger about their genitalia will get you banned from most respectable establishments.

There ain’t nothing respectable about an establishment that dismisses a woman for expressing concerns about someone paying an interest in little girls. Especially one with a penis.

One would wonder why they would allege that Jaman used such a turn of phrase eh? If there is no danger of such a thing happening, it just wouldn’t occur to them to say such a thing. If it didn’t come out of the mouth of Jaman, why is it in the minds of those supporting this individual?

And they may well display pride flags. But they’ve done nothing to be proud about.

”We will not tolerate bias, hatred, or discrimination that leads to the oppression of individuals or communities. We will ensure sustained and meaningful progress toward equity and human dignity for all”

Just not equity and human dignity for women and girls.

Plenty of discrimination, hatred and oppression though.

Didimum why do you think there are separate changing rooms for males and females?

Not all men are sex offenders but, I'm going out on a limb, the ones who like hanging out in women-only changing facilities are more likely to be. IMO, a man entering a space where women are undressing is committing a sex offence if he does not have the enthusiastic consent of all the females present.

Yes, and all it takes now is for him to utter the magical transformative words of "I am a trans woman" and the magical gender dust is sprinkled on the path for him, flanked by handmaidens showering him with rose petals and welcoming him in to share spaces with their daughters.

Why would you assume the lady must be lying or wrong? I'm afraid it does make you sound like a paedophile excuser. Are you saying it's less appropriate to ask someone if they have a penis then for someone with a penis to be watching or even in the vicinity of girls changing?

There are always going to be isolated incidents like this that (if 100% true) are going to be unsettling to most people, including those in the trans community. I do think it is important to remember that they are isolated and not to allow ourselves to get whipped up by the political agenda against this community that is being peddled at the moment. There have always been TW and TM and such issues have always raised difficult situations but the discrimination and violence they suffer as a community is very real. I saw a TW in my local town shopping centre being extremely unsure of which bathrooms to go into as the disabled/baby change ones were locked and I really felt for her as she may have come up against anti trans sentiments in the ladies and yet the mens would likely feel so intimidating. In the end she didn’t use either bathroom. Please let’s remember that 99.9% of TW and TM just want to live their lives and not be the focus of endless attention and often hate which seems to becoming more and more prevalent on this forum and elsewhere x

The YMCA has agreed that the person seen ogling young girls in the changing rooms is a man. No one is denying that the person Jaman reported to the police is male-bodied. Why do you assert that Jaman may have made a mistake? She didn't.

Come on, argue better!