80 year old woman banned from pool for standing up for little girls

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This poor woman dedicated her life to defending women and girls. She heard a male voice while in the shower at her local pool, looked out and saw a TW changing near 4 or 5 little girls while staring at them. She stepped in, asked if the TW had a penis, and got banned and the pool staff threatened to call police on her. They lied and said she said all kinds of profane things. This is so disgusting. I feel so bad for her.

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Assuming the woman's assertion was true and she didn't just hear a deep voice and put two and two together and get twenty.

Yeah… you couldn’t be bothered to read the article then?

It’s very clear that she didn’t “get twenty” - the man in question is an employee of the YMCA, although not in uniform at the time, and his sex was confirmed by other employees when they berated the 80 YO woman for objecting to his presence in the female changing area.

A woman the YMCA should listen to, rather than shout down, as someone well aware of safeguarding risks, having established the women’s refuge in her local area.

Yes… why did you erase the sex of the male and of the children?

To make it sound like a non-issue? Do you downplay risks to women and girls the same way generally?

"Asking a stranger about their genitalia will get you banned from most respectable establishments."

@JenniferBarkley the thing is, my DC have been taught and instructed by their school to refer to people by their genitals as part of this ideology. As part of 'being kind' they have been told that talking about 'people with penises' and 'people with vaginas' is more respectful than using boy/girl, man/woman. The use of body parts as discriminators didn't come from me, it came from this new way of thinking about the world. I am very uncomfortable with it, find it disturbing that the focus is on penis and vagina (very PIV focussed) and complained to the school, only to be patronised and admonished for my lack of consideration for those who 'identify' differently to their biology

You can't both accuse of GC women of being obsessed with genitals and insist they're inappropriately talking about them.

The constant disciplining around language, the constant coercion and control of how others describe their experience and the forced redefining of what words mean is exhausting, frustrating and leads us to this.

I don't want my children to refer to themselves detailing their genitals IN SCHOOL, while talking to the responsible adult in the room (red flags anyone), you don't want anyone to be asked about their genitals, so let them go back to using boy/girl and man/woman to mean what they always meant?

When Jaman asked Bart why no signs had been posted informing women that males could potentially be in the locker rooms, she says she was told: “‘We post pride signs, and we assume that lets women know what to expect.'”

And this is why many women hate the pride flag and the rainbow lanyards the NHS love.

they berated the 80 YO woman for objecting to his presence in the female changing area.

A still naked 80 year old woman.

A still naked woman who has a lifetime of protecting women and children.

A still naked woman who has a lifetime of safeguarding experience.

A still naked 80 year old woman who tried to talk quietly not to scare the girls while immediately acting on her suspicions.

Terrible of the school, @TopKnotch Is this in the UK? What are you going to do now?

Transactivism has successfully reduced us to using the words like 'penis' by making words like 'men' and 'women' meaningless or tainted by bigotry, and then when we tortuously use penis-related phrases, when we'd much rather just say 'man,' we get accused of being obsessed with genitals. (I mean, when the sex with penises commits the bulk of all crimes it is rather helpful to know who's got one or had one surgically removed.)

Are we doing that Laurie Penny gift to flashers and voyeurs thing again, where the inappropriate behaviour is noticing the man watching females take their clothes off?

I was pleased to read that there was alot of support for her from other citizens and users of the pool but I am disgusted at how the fact a male was staring at naked girls is forgotten in favour of lies that an 80 year old woman was verbally abusive!

Yes, this is just awful. Then tried to imprison her as she attempted to leave. An elderly lady.

Agreed. This is one woman who perceived the TW to be ‘looking’ - was that true? Who knows. Not appropriate, ever, to ask about someone’s genitalia, unless in a medical capacity. She should have reported her concerns to the management of the pool.

The question is, what is a woman?

1. Anyone who puts on a swimsuit usually designed to cover breasts as well as genitalia between the legs.

2. Someone with XX chromosomes, a vulva, vagina, uterus and breasts (unless of course they have had surgery to remove them or have a DSD. Being transgender is not a DSD of course)

If the answer is 1), then the term "woman" is utterly meaningless and can apply to everyone and no-one. We segregate by sex for reasons of dignity, privacy and above all, safety. Some men are not safe to be around women. Segregating by sex helps to protect women from those men.

We cannot protect vulnerable women if we change the definition of "woman".

Wtf? She wasn’t just asking some random person in Starbucks. She was trying to protect children from a pervert. I can’t believe your post to be honest.

What possible logic is there to having changing rooms based on gender identity? If sex doesn't matter then why not communal mixed sex changing rooms? Why don't women and girls routinely get changed in front of men? The only possible reason for having changing rooms based on gender identity is for men to get something out of walking into a room labelled 'female'.

Ah, another apologist for male voyeurism.

Didimum do you know what is true...what's true is that a male was in the female changingroom standing next to several little girls while they are undressing. Is that OK with you?

@FrancescaContini I complained vociferously, referencing the DfE guidance and stating clearly what my concerns were.

I didn't get a reply. I got the feeling that my strident assertion that I and my DC were not 'assigned a gender at birth' and that I felt that DC should be taught that "some people believe" gender identity ideology in the same way that they are taught other belief systems was so shocking the school felt they could no longer engage with someone so blasphemous. (They had replied to my initial complaint with a re education email first.)

My DC speak new speak, they're completely and utterly brainwashed and truly believe that people can flip flop between sexes. Their friends were talking about a new supply teacher said "we don't know their pronouns" when the others discussed that they didn't know if they wanted to be called Miss or Sir. I asked if the teacher was male or female and the reply was "they could be trans or bon binary". I asked my DC later and was told that they were a very obviously female member of staff. I found the belief that this person could be male identifying as female interesting. They're being set up.

I will be really interested to see if the Cass report has any impact this academic year.

I think Jennifer Barkley might be focusing on the wrong thing here. I nearly choked on my shreddies. I've never seen someone defend a peadophile like that before.

Whether the TW was looking at the kids or not, this male shouldn’t be in a female changing room

As Jennifer didn’t answer my questions, maybe Didimum will answer.

So we will know the acceptable words and procedure to use if we believe a girl, or boy, is in immediate risk of harm (including if we have decades of safeguarding experience and experience dealing with abused women and children)

I'm really concerned about the news that pride flags mean that I should know that female changings room may have men in. I didn't know that. So the whole of the month of pride I shouldn't have used my leisure centre? Someone should have made that clear to me. Next pride month, I'll ask for a refund on my fees in that case. And I won't be going into the office as that's permanently festooned with pride flags.

I’m so shocked by what you’ve written. It’s appalling. The whole school management has been brainwashed.

Re the school not acknowledging your concerns: are you going to take this further? The board of governors? LEA?

Are you going to keep your kids there?

Didn’t you see the twitter advice from Laurie Penny, a well known feminist? Little girls should turn their head away if in the presence of a penis in view.

And all this talk about, not asking about the penis, pps have already explained this perfectly. By reducing humans to their body parts, you are insisting that penises be part of the discussion.

To admonish a woman asking if a person had a penis when this is the result of this forced language, is obviously an act of silencing.

I don’t believe a man with a penis or a TW with a penis, or anyone else, is a ‘pervert’ on the basis one person perceiving the individual to be ‘looking’. The pool allows TW (pre operative or other) to use the women’s changing space. If the elderly woman didn’t agree with that or had concerns then her course of action should be to bring it up with the pool or whatever the equivalent is of her local council. Not to ask what someone’s genitalia is.

@JenniferBarkley but it wasn't a woman was it? It was, in fact, a MAN WATCHING LITTLE GIRLS GET CHANGED!

On what planet is that ok?!

That didn't answer my question Didimum

I said do you think it is OK for a male to be in a female changing room standing next to little girls who are undressing. It is a yes or no answer.