DQ Story Time kicked off in Bristol

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I'm going to wade into the comments...!

Protesters try to arrest drag queen Sab Samuel

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2ad0798c-0e9d-11ed-93cf-b011fa7fe86b?shareToken=3c528b6084adfbc7a3f1da805c2c7ee5

This whole thing is done on purpose. If he'd have stuck to a club with consenting adults no one would have given a shit.

Instead they bring body framing clothing and adult entertainment to children purely because they know parents will kick off then cry homophobia fir sympathy points.

Its all just a plan to maintain the victimhood necessary to continue this whole queueing society thing.

The real homophobia is insinuating that gay men need need to be able to behave inappropriately around children in order to feel included and supported

@namechange7654 it's the name and some of the jokes (not obviously offensive just off) but this is a school with a specialist wing for disabled children none of whom could realistically consider their disability as a supper power (I include my ds in this) and a massive abilist bullying problem already.
My point (though probably poorly made) was not to argue with the people who hire the queen's about it being offensive to women but to tailor your arguments to the specific person/situation I chose to use sb in my argument as a parallel to ADHD as its something that the head of the PTA cares about and I could draw a simple clear analogy between him using the name aida h dee and me doing the same thing with sb to drive my point home NOT because of anything this person has said about sb (just to be clear) but because the analogy would and did work with the head of our PTA.
We need to change the way we fight this battle when we come up against the be kind brigade and challenge the "its inclusive " bs in a way that the person who is in charge of hiring will care about

@Hoardasurass ah OK, I didn't understand the context of this specific school.

They are saying some of the protestors are from right wing groups because they are. Protestors posted their own videos from the protest in Reading to twitter, and some of them are the same people who organised this protest. Those protestors include Alpha Men Assemble who are right wing, vaccine-denying, ultra nationalists and white supremacists who have previously camped out to protest in front of vaccine sites and who spout anti-semitic tropes.

Here is a bit to read: twitter.com/Shayan86/status/1552648116225994753

You can find the protestors' own videos on twitter, where they are shouting various dogwhistles about how the world is run by a small cabal of ultra wealthy paedophiles intent on a new world order. Sound familiar to anyone who is familiar with world history?

I dont mind drag….but shakespeare it ain’t

Of course! If you have concerns about a specific individual then you are right to address them. But all the comments about how DQST is only one tiny minority, and doesn't really promote inclusivity - that's not an issue with the individual, that's an issue with the librarian or council.

Yeah, let's face it, none of this is actually for the benefit of the kids.

Of course! If you have concerns about a specific individual then you are right to address them. But all the comments about how DQST is only one tiny minority, and doesn't really promote inclusivity - that's not an issue with the individual, that's an issue with the librarian or council

Surely personal responsibility comes into it at some point? I mean if I came across an unlocked car with the keys in the ignition in a cctv blind spot , its my responsibility not to take it regardless of how anyone else basically set it up for me to be able to do so with ease.

Drag Queens know who they are and what they do in fact one very publically spoke out about this. I dont see why they cant be expected to say no. I mean they could couldn't they? That's not to say councils and libraries aren't responsible for poor choices and irresponsible actions but I dont think that means we shouldn't be able to expect a person to do the right thing.

I find it totally unacceptable for people to be attacking individuals like this when RuPaul is presented on early evening mainstream TV as family entertainment.

not that i think its acceptable to attack anyone…but there is an argument to be had that drag race shouldn’t be on early mainstream TV as family entertainment

just because someone has decided that it’s appropriate doesnt mean that it actually is

But its just like Panto says Ash Sarkar. Em , no it isn't pal. Widow Twankey and the Ugly Sisters are not hyper sexualised woman face acts.

They're obviously male that's the whole point. I bet Danny la Rue would never had taken this gig. He knew what he did was Adult Entertainment.

Ps my kids were in panto. One of them played an Ugly Sister. I take offence at this silly comparison.

Interesting question. If a woman turned up for a job in a school wearing 6 inch stilettos, fishnets, thick make up, falsies and glittery revealing clothes, would she be embraced as diverse or shown the door?

This video is GC women protesting inside the library

"I dont see why they cant be expected to say no. I mean they could couldn't they? That's not to say councils and libraries aren't responsible for poor choices and irresponsible actions but I dont think that means we shouldn't be able to expect a person to do the right thing."

It's paid work, it's in their area of work and it means they are doing their act rather than their survival job. If the job is offered, a lot of performers will take it. The recent problems have been when the performer didn't have child-friendly costumes, or didn't re-write the act enough. In both those cases, it could be argued that the performer didn't realise there could be a problem.

Actors and performers often have to do things for work like strip naked, simulate sex, or undress very quickly in an area where people of both sexes will be rushing around. Do that long enough and our sense of 'what's appropriate' will become a bit blurred. There's a reason child actors must always have a parent or chaperone in attendance when not actually on stage.

The recent problems have been when the performer didn't have child-friendly costumes, or didn't re-write the act enough. In both those cases, it could be argued that the performer didn't realise there could be a problem

It doesn't strike you as deliberate and calculated that there's always some form of plausible deniability ? I think we have to be careful we don't keep treating people like idiots ajd making excuses fir them. Thats how this stuff just keeps happening. Because people just ignore things because the wrong people said them or because someone else didn't do their jobs ajd they can blame them etc

Theres a get out clause along the way always. No one at any point takes any responsibility at all.

@namechange7654 that's ok I should have been clearer about it

I've always thought of libraries as a haven , almost like a secular church. Its horrible to see them weaponised in the culture wars like this.

And I'd feel the same if it was Christian story hour. Or Army recruitment story time or whatever. Sad.

If anyone thinks these drag acts aren’t getting off on violating safeguarding boundaries like this, they really haven’t been paying attention.

yup, that would be cool. I've seen careers days done like that in school

Has anyone explained yet what benefit there is for children from being read stories by a man dressed as a hyper sexualised grotesque parody of a woman?

This is what happened to a friend of mine last month ( not in the UK) who was told a new teacher was joining the staff of her primary school.
The new art & drama teacher turned up to work wearing fishnets, leather mini skirt, high heels & a transparent top, calls himself “ MX “ & not one word was said by the head teacher about how inappropriate it was. If my friend had turned up like that I’m sure plenty would have been said. He can wear what he wants in his own time, but a more toned down look would be more professional & appropriate.
Drag really isn’t suitable for children imho.

Well quite.

Its funny how in general society geberak employment protection of the vulnerable and children is a big deal. Anyone who works on retail/ age restricted services will know that you can get fired for serving 19 amd 20 year olds on the basis you failed the challenge 21/25.

If we turned around and said well Alex told me he was under 18 but I caught him.watching Ben.shapiro last week so I didn't believe him and served the guy. Or that we thought our co worker had id'd them, then that would really not watch. And we are not people who have entire departments like a council dedicated to safeguarding children.

So why is it OK that everyone in these cases can just deny it was there job or feign innocence. Its certainly not a.luxury afforded to anyone else 🤔

Womanface. Tolerated in a way blackface isn't. Why?

"It doesn't strike you as deliberate and calculated that there's always some form of plausible deniability ?"

I'm always prone to 'cck-up rather than conspiracy,' even when the 'cck-up was rather literal. At the moment we've got a bunch of performers whose usual audience is entirely adult, who've suddenly mysteriously become 'family-friendly'. And they're being offered paid gigs. And they've probably never before worked in front of an audience that included children.

You don't have to impute sinister motives in the performers to see that this is a disaster just waiting to happen.

Could some of the performers have sinister motives? As I said above - there's a reason child actors are supposed to be chaperoned to within an inch of their lives...

As someone who is afraid of clowns (and people with their faces hidden) a reader in drag makeup would have terrified me when I was a small child.

Funnily enough, I went to panto just before Covid, when I wasn't really aware of the drag queen stuff, and there were two ugly sisters - one was your average middle aged bloke in a dress and the other one was a lot more 'drag queen' like. Anyway, I'm all for a bit of good old innuendo in a panto, but there was a line where the older sister said something like 'meeting the Prince would make my day' and the other one said, with OTT gusto, 'well it would make my whole week' (hole weak').

I was like WTAF, because it felt like such a massive overstepping of a boundary in a kids panto! Obviously the kids didn't get it, but I just felt a bit of a weird shift then, and now seeing everything else that is happening I think that discomfort was justified tbh.