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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Izzard - womanhood not a 'mode'

196 replies

Cookingutensil · 27/07/2022 23:46

That's it. Womanhood is not a 'mode' It's a biological reality - no on and off switch. Nor is it a feeling in a man's head. The sheer arrogance is astonishing.

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11053273/Eddie-Izzard-sports-fresh-platinum-blonde-pixie-cut-pink-mini-dress.html

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BreadInCaptivity · 27/07/2022 23:55

Wow.

Can I change modes to opt out of the hot flushes from the Peri?

Where the fuck is my gender switch because I'd bloody love to flip it RIGHT NOW....

😓😓😓😓

crosstalk · 27/07/2022 23:55

I don't know what I think. He's very funny, has done multiple marathons, done stand up comedy in French and German. If he's a man one day and a woman the next, I couldn't care providing he's not impacting on women. I don't know what his position is on trans activism.

BreadInCaptivity · 28/07/2022 00:01

crosstalk · 27/07/2022 23:55

I don't know what I think. He's very funny, has done multiple marathons, done stand up comedy in French and German. If he's a man one day and a woman the next, I couldn't care providing he's not impacting on women. I don't know what his position is on trans activism.

FFS he's impacting on women by pretending to be one and diminishes our experiences of womanhood by describing it as a "mode".

Eddie gets to be "a woman" by putting in a dress and lipstick having built his success on male privilege and flip back into man mode when it suits him (most recently for an acting role).

Buggersticks · 28/07/2022 00:06

I was a big fan, once upon a time....

pink85 · 28/07/2022 00:09

'elastic gender' and 'girl mode' so what when I don't wanna wear make up or a dress I'm not in girl mode? I used to love Eddie Izzard always found his stand up very funny and when he rocked knee high boots and wore whatever he looked great. Interesting he called his male roles 'boring mode' so when I'm just lounging on my sofa being a woman is automatically more exciting?! I just...I wanna be a good person I don't wanna be cruel but I find it highly offensive that the talk that goes on as if being a woman is a switch or a feeling and its never what is a man it just makes me feel utterly erased and all the experiences I have had to endure because of my sex, when these people just decide to call themselves that and are putting on dresses and having the best time when I have years of heckling, periods and all the crap that comes with being a woman behind me. Again, not saying people can't live how they like as long as it isn't harming others but it is, its changing things and it makes me very uncomfortable. Why can't there be the level headedness of Blaire White she's amazing.

Alexaplaykatebush · 28/07/2022 00:27

Why couldn't Eddie continue to be a man who likes wearing dresses sometimes?
There is nothing wrong with a man in a dress, lots of cultures have men in skirt/dress type attire that doesn't make men into women, the beautiful kilt being the perfect example.
I like the dress, it's not something I'd chose to wear personally because of the colour and I'd wear legging or tights under anything that short for modesty even though I'm half Eddie's age and weight.
None of it makes sense to me, how does wearing a dress make you a woman? Is it because it's a pink dress?
The over use of pronouns in the article is quite funny.

LK1972 · 28/07/2022 00:31

pink85 · 28/07/2022 00:09

'elastic gender' and 'girl mode' so what when I don't wanna wear make up or a dress I'm not in girl mode? I used to love Eddie Izzard always found his stand up very funny and when he rocked knee high boots and wore whatever he looked great. Interesting he called his male roles 'boring mode' so when I'm just lounging on my sofa being a woman is automatically more exciting?! I just...I wanna be a good person I don't wanna be cruel but I find it highly offensive that the talk that goes on as if being a woman is a switch or a feeling and its never what is a man it just makes me feel utterly erased and all the experiences I have had to endure because of my sex, when these people just decide to call themselves that and are putting on dresses and having the best time when I have years of heckling, periods and all the crap that comes with being a woman behind me. Again, not saying people can't live how they like as long as it isn't harming others but it is, its changing things and it makes me very uncomfortable. Why can't there be the level headedness of Blaire White she's amazing.

I feel it's because we seem to have to pretend to forget (or made to pretend) that we had, historically, 2 groups, transsexuals and transvestites. Both of those groups were predominantly male, but not the same. They behaved very differently, and were treated by the society accordingly.

The laws that were explicitly written, in the UK, for transsexuals, were interpreted to apply to the new term 'trans', which is an umbrella term. Which includes transvestites, explicitly - a term EL previously used to accurately describe himself, before his conversion to 'womanhood' Hmm

Alexaplaykatebush · 28/07/2022 00:33

She's a middle aged man.
Stop saying she.
It's gaslighting. But also funny because it's so fucking obviously fake.
That article is taking the piss, although I've never read one so gushing and generous towards a middle aged woman.
Male privilege never ceases to amaze me.

SisterRuth · 28/07/2022 00:41

I had so much respect for him when he was a brave man in a skirt, boots & nail varnish. He made me wee with laughter too. Now, I want to slap his smug, deluded face. How can he not see how insulting it is to say he can opt into or out of being a woman?

ErrolTheDragon · 28/07/2022 00:48

The media personality explained: 'I go in girl mode or boy mode, which I see as a superhero thing.'

Ffs. So, Eddie's "modes" are pure fantasy. Nothing to do with the reality of being a woman.

'It's no big deal. It's elastic, not hard and fast. I'm still gender-fluid. I'm still performing male roles in dramas, in boring mode.
'But stand-up, activism and endurance running are all girl mode.'

Nothing in 'woman mode' then? Just 'girl mode'... he's 60, about time he grew up.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 28/07/2022 00:48

A pixie cut? Daily Mail you are spoiling us.

RosalindsAFuckingNightmare · 28/07/2022 00:49

I see Eddie only wants to be in "boy mode" for the lucrative acting roles. Would Eddie not get them in "girl mode"?

GrowlingManchego · 28/07/2022 01:02

He’s taking the piss out of women. And massively using his male privilegie. To think I used to find him funny. Urgh!

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 28/07/2022 01:18

What is going on with his breasts? I think I see four. Does that make him twice the woman I am?

AgnestaVipers · 28/07/2022 01:26

A huge disappointment.

I respected him when he was broadening the bandwidth of what it is to be a man.

MrsTerryPratchett · 28/07/2022 01:27

He used to be cool.

Bluesparkled · 28/07/2022 02:43

I’m sure I’ve read an interview with him where he explained he was a transvestite-his word- and that he was basically a bloke who likes to wear women’s clothes, that was it, why shouldn’t he?
I paraphrase as it was years ago and I have forgotten exactly, but that was the definite gist. He’s a monumental prick these days.

NoBarrelOfLaughs · 28/07/2022 03:07

And these types always talk in terms of girl, never woman. They want to be seen to be a 17 year old ‘hottie’. Never a knackered middle aged mum of 3, who looks after her aging parents whilst working full time, and doing 95% of the household chores.
I may be projecting, and using this forum to vent.

SpidersAreShitheads · 28/07/2022 03:12

AgnestaVipers · 28/07/2022 01:26

A huge disappointment.

I respected him when he was broadening the bandwidth of what it is to be a man.

Absolutely this.

Eddie was a huge inspiration in the early days, wearing heels and lipstick publicly at a time when it wasn't accepted widely. Eddie really pushed the boundaries of what it meant to be a man, and I thought it was a wonderful example of how it's possible to be gender non-conforming without it consuming your whole identity.

This absolute bollocks about being able to slip in and out of "girl mode" when it's convenient makes a complete mockery of what it means to be a woman. It's a prime example of using male privilege while being completely blind to what it actually means to be female.

In fairness, Eddie has been quite cool about the pronouns thing and said it doesn't really matter too much if people got them right. I quite respected Eddie for saying that initially, but then this horseshit about changing between girl and boy mode came out, and it just frustrated me immensely. Eddie has no concept of the harm that's being done.

C0mfyChairP0se · 28/07/2022 03:31

Wow, what an arrogance.

Bet he is not "fluid in his gender" when negotiating his salary. Firmly boy mode then. Not noticing or caring that the female cast aren't able to be fluid in their gender negotiating their salary.

goldfinchonthelawn · 28/07/2022 04:05

crosstalk · 27/07/2022 23:55

I don't know what I think. He's very funny, has done multiple marathons, done stand up comedy in French and German. If he's a man one day and a woman the next, I couldn't care providing he's not impacting on women. I don't know what his position is on trans activism.

The most tone deaf piece I aever read was Eddie in The Guardian with Sarah Everard sharing the front page with him and him saying how much he loved being dressed as a woman and then when men gave him unwanted attention in the street he turned on them, all butch and deep voiced and scared them off. Just like the real woman he is. Silly Sarah Everard. She should have just switched on her man mode, like Eddie did and she'd have been fine.

Oh the luxury of dipping in and out of womanhood. We should all do it more often.

Tosser. Abject tosser. I have no respect for the man at all now. Used to find him quite funny but the egocentricity that can't see the facts beyond his own self-centred desires makes my stomach turn.

Bhu · 28/07/2022 06:04

I think with the statements about being relaxed about pronouns and talking about ‘modes’ rather than womanhood he is actually more sensible and in touch with reality than most TRAs. He doesn’t ever claim to be an actual woman. I feel like it’s everyone else tripping over themselves to call him ‘she’ that make it absurd. I just wish he would wear those clothes without the fake boobs, they make him look ridiculous.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 28/07/2022 06:04

"Girl mode"? The irony of that is that it puts 10+ years on a man to dress up as a woman. Something to do with face shape, thicker necks, broader features, I'm not sure. Anyway I've never understood why a nice looking man in his 20s finds it a turn-on to whack on a frock wig and make-up that makes him look like a smartly dressed woman in her forties... but they do. Of course Eddie Izzard is way beyond "girl " age anyway so he must be using the word in some other way. Some gay men used to refer to each other as "girls", maybe that's what he means.

I respected him when he was broadening the bandwidth of what it is to be a man.

Yes, I felt the same way. Feel let down now.

Motnight · 28/07/2022 06:43

I used to love Eddie when he described himself accurately as a man in a frock. I saw him perform at least half a dozen times.

Eddie is funny (or he was, no idea now) and clever, so why can't he see how ridiculous his girl mode /boy mode is? His criticism of teenage girls who asked why he was in the womens' toilets years ago showed him to be a man upset that women weren't just falling into line with what he wanted.