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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Izzard - womanhood not a 'mode'

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Cookingutensil · 27/07/2022 23:46

That's it. Womanhood is not a 'mode' It's a biological reality - no on and off switch. Nor is it a feeling in a man's head. The sheer arrogance is astonishing.

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11053273/Eddie-Izzard-sports-fresh-platinum-blonde-pixie-cut-pink-mini-dress.html

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Gatehouse77 · 28/07/2022 10:33

I'm so disappointed. As others have said I admired EI for being a 'non-conforming' man and pushing the boundaries. That admiration has gone. Completely. So, so disappointing.

AgathaX · 28/07/2022 10:35

The man's a twat.

MorrisZapp · 28/07/2022 10:38

Izzard can suck up the dog whistling misogyny from the D Mail as women have for decades. Fake gushing while printing clearly ghastly, unflattering photos? In depth analysis of clothing and hair? Age mentioned in the first paragraph? Enjoy it chaps, hope it makes you feel valid. The sidebar of shame forgives no woman.

Gagagardener · 28/07/2022 10:50

Gawd's sake. He s a middle-aged man who's rummaged in the drama department's wardrobe and nicked a costume he liked the look of! If he'd chosen a tutu, sparkly wand and a pair of wings, would he be telling us he could fly? I'm off to find my astronaut's outfit so I can go walking on the moon.

TinselAngel · 28/07/2022 11:02

YetAnotherSpartacus · 28/07/2022 10:29

Why is wearing a dress the symbol of 'woman mode'? Why not doing the emotional labour?

No boners for emotional labour.

LovinglifeAF · 28/07/2022 11:11

I used to like him but all this has put me off. He’s basically a non gender conforming heterosexual man. Why the need to jump on this bandwagon?

SarahShorty · 28/07/2022 11:22

I used to think he was funny. The skit he did about American vs British pronunciations was gold.
Now I can't stand him.

TinselAngel · 28/07/2022 11:26

LovinglifeAF · 28/07/2022 11:11

I used to like him but all this has put me off. He’s basically a non gender conforming heterosexual man. Why the need to jump on this bandwagon?

No he isn't. This is what he's always been. He's just revealed it gradually, as our exes do to us trans widows.

TinselAngel · 28/07/2022 11:28

But to answer the question why would men like him not jump on the bandwagon (or in reality escalate) when it gives them so much power?

ZaraSizeMedium · 28/07/2022 11:43

I’m so over the narrative that EI used to be an amazing person expanding the bandwidth of what it means to be a man.

Hes always been an arrogant entitled male and this account of his first day “out” (with additions made in block capitals) is perfection for showing him for exactly what he was back then and still is now.

manatwork68.medium.com/my-first-day-out-by-eddie-izzard-c8ff9bcae245

Datun · 28/07/2022 12:02

Eddie revealed she was a transvestite nearly four decades ago, before considering herself as trans.

That's transgenderism in a nutshell.

And yes, it's given Eddie enormous power. Eddie can now indulge his transvestism, whilst getting back slaps for it, which relies, entirely, on the existence of the female sex for it to be possible, whilst simultaneously maintaining his lucrative acting career which relies entirely on him being male.

It's such a number being done on women, it's difficult to believe.

And if there is one thing that Eddie isn't, it's stupid.

BloodyHellKen · 28/07/2022 12:04

I lost all respect for EI when the tale about him chasing young teenage girls out of a women's public loo came out. My daughters are around the same age and I'd be livid if a man scared them like that in a supposedly all female space.
In fact I don't understand why he wasn't spoken to by the police as men chasing and scaring children isn't usually socially acceptable behaviour.

waterlego · 28/07/2022 12:06

Thanks for explaining @TinselAngel. I will take a look at your blog. I do know that you (and other transwidows) understand this issue far better than I can.

SpidersAreShitheads · 28/07/2022 12:07

ZaraSizeMedium · 28/07/2022 11:43

I’m so over the narrative that EI used to be an amazing person expanding the bandwidth of what it means to be a man.

Hes always been an arrogant entitled male and this account of his first day “out” (with additions made in block capitals) is perfection for showing him for exactly what he was back then and still is now.

manatwork68.medium.com/my-first-day-out-by-eddie-izzard-c8ff9bcae245

@ZaraSizeMedium - absolutely, his revelations in recent years have been horrible and reveal his absolute male privilege and sense of entitlement. The story about the two teen girls and the women's toilet just left me open-mouthed at what he considered to be showing "bravery".

I guess what I and other women mean when we refer to EI previously expanding the bandwidth of male identity, was the person that he seemed to be. In the early days - and actually for many years - there were no stories like this. Instead EI was insistent that he was just a man who liked to wear a dress and he was very resistant to anyone who suggested that it affected his masculinity.

Now the social landscape has claimed and he's coming out with lots of very uncomfortable stories which completely contradict everything that went before.

So I think it's possible to mourn the EI that DID challenge the status quo of male identity expression while still understanding that he misled us all for a very long time.

WolverineBluey · 28/07/2022 12:16

MorrisZapp · 28/07/2022 10:38

Izzard can suck up the dog whistling misogyny from the D Mail as women have for decades. Fake gushing while printing clearly ghastly, unflattering photos? In depth analysis of clothing and hair? Age mentioned in the first paragraph? Enjoy it chaps, hope it makes you feel valid. The sidebar of shame forgives no woman.

Brilliant post Morris!
A short back and sides miraculously becomes a pixie cut. And in pink for extra girly points.

Haven't read the whole thread and am very critical of EI these days. But in EI's defence nothing new has actually happened or been said here. The Mail just needed to pad out the copy to go with the pap shots and wanted to take the piss while they were at it.

Melroses · 28/07/2022 12:24

Datun · 28/07/2022 12:02

Eddie revealed she was a transvestite nearly four decades ago, before considering herself as trans.

That's transgenderism in a nutshell.

And yes, it's given Eddie enormous power. Eddie can now indulge his transvestism, whilst getting back slaps for it, which relies, entirely, on the existence of the female sex for it to be possible, whilst simultaneously maintaining his lucrative acting career which relies entirely on him being male.

It's such a number being done on women, it's difficult to believe.

And if there is one thing that Eddie isn't, it's stupid.

^^ This.

What I want to say but said clearly.

Datun · 28/07/2022 12:34

So I think it's possible to mourn the EI that DID challenge the status quo of male identity expression while still understanding that he misled us all for a very long time.

Yes, for me, the realisation that I was probably being duped, in hindsight, is what pisses me off.

He was, like Grayson Perry, entirely upfront about his cross dressing, but, unbeknownst to me, had already wondered whether he could be a lesbian and availed himself of female facilities to the detriment of young girls.

It's one thing considering cross dressing in isolation, but it's quite another, when you realise it utterly relies on the concept of what constitutes womanhood for it to exist. And then the concept is fetishised.

Not something that would have crossed my mind when I was laughing at Eddie the clever comic wearing nail varnish.

But understanding how these things work and escalate, and the rank sexism involved in underpinning them has changed my mind.

It looked like he was gender nonconforming, but in reality, he was vehemently conforming to male gender stereotypes. Self entitlement, centring his sex drive to the detriment of women and girls, whilst still retaining all the power of a man in show business.

it doesn't get more stereotypically male.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 28/07/2022 12:38

Which mode was he in when he scared the crap out of those schoolgirls in women's loos? What mode when he took to Twitter to crow about it?

He was once gloriously funny, but now his 'man's dress' is firmly 'her dress' he's just sad and fucking frustrating.

TinselAngel · 28/07/2022 12:41

It's one thing considering cross dressing in isolation, but it's quite another, when you realise it utterly relies on the concept of what constitutes womanhood for it to exist. And then the concept is fetishised.

This is why I maintain that AGP can never be victimless, even when women talk about not caring what goes on "behind closed doors". (Putting aside that trans widows will generally be being coerced into participating behind said doors)

It is a fetish which relies on the subjugation of women. If the AGP was not able to play act at being what they see as weak/ inferior, there would be no turn on.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 28/07/2022 12:42

And, yet again, having read tinsel's words I am so very bloody glad I am not the naive 20 something I was back then.

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LovinglifeAF · 28/07/2022 12:52

TinselAngel · 28/07/2022 11:26

No he isn't. This is what he's always been. He's just revealed it gradually, as our exes do to us trans widows.

So sorry to hear that x I stand corrected, hope I didn’t cause any offence x

Datun · 28/07/2022 12:56

And in other news, the Tavistock is being shut down due to rushing vulnerable kids into unevidenced treatment.

That's another brick wall between conflating adult transvestites and confused children.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4599544-tavistock-clinic-to-close-as-not-safe-for-children?reply=118850269

Abitofalark · 28/07/2022 13:02

I was watching Portrait Artist of the Year a few weeks ago on Sky, when Izzard trotted on in high heels and lipstick blethering about 'girl mode' and gender fluid. This is a series where in each round, three celebrities or rather 'celebs' have their portrait painted by three artists competing for the title - nine artists per round. One of the rounds had a person from drag as one of the sitters. Izzard however had the honour of being sole sitter for the three finalists in the round to determine the title winner.

A search brought up an article in the Express dated December 2020 with viewers praising Izzard and a quote from him requesting pronouns: 'And those watching the show heard Eddie say: “This is the first programme I've asked if I can be she and her, a little transition period.
“People just assume, well, know me from before... I'm genderfluid, I just want to be based in girl mode from now on.” '

www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1374815/Eddie-Izzard-she-per-pronouns-Portrait-Artist-of-the-Year-Sky-Arts-video

TrashyPanda · 28/07/2022 13:03

Why is a 60 year old man talking about being in “girl mode” or “boy mode”?

does he identify as emotionally immature?

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