Stonewall have change the word “research”

[stealtheatingtunnocks]

This is an article citing “research”, which comes from the metro, by a female percentage who believes themselves to be a man.

stonewll does not understand normal child development and this charity is doing harm

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1550427949819695104?s=21&t=cGLUbAr7pnFA-jxzzZ6avw

Yes. 100%

It's the Peter Principle applied to theory and information.

I say that as an uneducated and not very clever person, too. What I've found helpful in the past few years wrt crictical thinking is becoming more aware of my own limitations, blindspots and gaps in my knowledge.

I can't remember whether it was her Woman's Hour interview or something else?

Yes I think it was the Woman's Hour pre-recorded interview

That’s often the key thing. There are many different ways to learn to think critically. It’s not unique to higher education. And, arguably, higher education is not always very good at teaching it.

Absolutely. I've often cringed listening to degree educated twenty somethings 'explaining' theories to the older, uneducated (in their opinion). Telling people with the lived experiences that they are wrong to think the way they do.

ResisterRex · Today 11:42
Yes I think it was the Woman's Hour pre-recorded interview

If anyone can make the new Mumsnet ‘search’ work, this Woman’s Hour interview was discussed on this board and someone ( possibly called DadDad)
made a transcript. Just after that, Woman’s Hour also had the interview available in some form I think.

I'm also reminded there was a leaked transcript. Referenced here on p4:

committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/22886/pdf/

And here but with the primary school part:

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/leaked-transcript-confirms-stonewalls

"Here’s what Gooding had to say about primary schools:
“We really want to advance the sense of dignity and lived experience for trans people and that isn't just about changing the law, it's about health provision, education in schools which remains an absolutely core part of what Stonewall do, it's our roots, that was why we were formed and at the moment we are for the first time helping primary schools educate children about different kinds of families which is how we talk about it.
“In primary schools we’ve just started to do it now, so again it’s education packs and materials to get them into the hands of teachers and staff so they feel able with their governing bodies to formulate the relevant policies…”
“A couple of years ago we were given a grant by the government to do work in 250 Faith schools which was incredibly important….we can make the mistake of thinking of, you know, faith schools, absolutely hopeless. They vary enormously. So we’re not so much targeting parents, we’re really trying to influence school governors, the headteachers and staff themselves, who want to champion it…..that’s who we really want to educate and make them feel empowered so they’re not fearful of, you know, gender neutral toilets or whatever it is.”
“The primary school stuff is controversial because it's new and it's just started this year and we even have the joy of the LGB Alliance for heaven's sake even campaigning against us doing that. It's extraordinary. Section 28 was all about "you mustn't tell children that gay people exist". I mean what a ridiculous idea that you can't tell primary school children that their best friend at school might have same-sex parents or a trans parent. You know. It's absurd. It's that old stuff of like "it's catching". If you even tell people about it they'll catch it. (inaudible) ... thirty years. It's extraordinary.”"

The transcript:

docs.google.com/document/d/1enqB91klIZxDuwwANMu3DKCM9jfadEkOdqBuXft7azk/mobilebasic

If he sheds his skin, can I have it?

😁

primary school children that their best friend at school might have same-sex parents or a trans parent.

And there we have it again, the forced teaming.

One only has to read the accounts of 'Children of Transitioners', to instantly see that having gay parents is absolutely nothing like having a trans one.

childrenoftransitioners.org/about/

Amazing paragraph in Resisters post, where Stonewall are talking about faith schools:

''We can make the mistake of thinking of, you know, faith schools, absolutely hopeless.... So we’re not so much targeting parents, we’re really trying to influence school governors, the headteachers and staff themselves, who want to champion it…..that’s who we really want to educate and make them feel empowered so they’re not fearful of, you know, gender neutral toilets or whatever it is.”

Pure Denton report tactics, introducing this bullshit by the back door.

The trouble is, the populace was never consulted, neither does it appear to consent, once they learn what all this actually means, as evidenced by the latest YouGov poll.

On the positive note, although it is not the first time Stonewall said a quiet part out loud, this one might end up being the straw to finally break a camel's back.

Was v amused to see Twitter TRAs removing their re-tweets and comments yesterday, within few hours Perhaps even they are noticing the popular vibe is changing, though perhaps I'm being too hopeful!

Agree

Absolutely. I've often cringed listening to degree educated twenty somethings 'explaining' theories to the older, uneducated (in their opinion). Telling people with the lived experiences that they are wrong to think the way they do.

Southall Black Sisters being lectured to by white, middle/upper class students from Goldsmiths University being the most egregious example of that.

LK1972 on that note, I see we have a distinct absence of ploppers here, in addition. Perhaps society draws the line at 2yo kids? Who knows.

I totally agree Datun, and think this is really important.

In your opinion, what can we do to ensure the public inquiry happens, and quickly?

Stonewall are still, currently, doing untold amount of damage across our public institutions. It appears to me we're fighting their propaganda one institution at the time, which is expensive and time-consuming.

In UK, we're fortunate to have a rather decent, though new, Equality Act, and it appears to me that what we need to do is to ensure it's properly clarified and enforced. GRA certainly needs some secondary legislation to clarify the mess of 'sex' and 'gender', although that is not a primary problem imo - it's Stonewall's 'getting ahead of legislation' training.

How the fuck was it allowed to take such hold across UK public sector, at a great cost to the tax-payer? How on earth is this even legal, why is a lobby group sanctioned to provide training that does not conform to UK law, with huge implications for safeguarding and women's rights?

Apologies for a long rant, I just find Stonewall despicable by now

One can only hope.

Well, some of our ploppers are probably busy with legal work for this organization. It'll probably become v lucrative, defending Stonewall in court over the next few years, so there's a silver lining for some of our occasional visitors, just too busy making good bundles and all that

MrsOvertonsWindow · Today 11:20

“PearlClutch · Today 11:04
”Nancy Kelly said in an interview that primary schools were their next target”

Which interview was this, please? Seems somewhat odd, given the apparent direction of travel of say, the Cass Review.

I can't remember whether it was her Woman's Hour interview or something else?

@ResisterRex · Today 11:42
Yes I think it was the Woman's Hour pre-recorded interview

If you look at the link of a MN thread below, on pages 14, 15, 16 ( maybe 17?) a poster DadDadDad made a transcript of Emma Barnett interviewing Nancy Kelly.

Nancy Kelly does not specifically mentions nurseries in this particular interview.

There is a part where she says:
EB: You would love to have more influence over—

NK: Yeah, of course

EB: --the BBC and its editorial policy?

NK: We’d love to have more influence in the world. We want the world^--

EB: Well, no, we’re talking

NK: that’s more inclusive.

Page 14 | Woman's Hour 18/11/2021 Nancy Kelley CEO of Stonewall | Mumsnet

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4404670-Womans-Hour-18-11-2021-Nancy-Kelley-CEO-of-Stonewall?page=14

Ah. Then I got confused because of that transcript. I had an association with SW and EYFS somewhere

I'm certain she's specifically made reference to wanting to expand Stonewall into primary schools. I wondered at the time why on earth an adult charity focusing on sexual issues was so determined to have a presence in primary schools Outside of tacking homophobic bullying and ensuring that children understand and respect different families and LGB people, the involvement of young children in sexual identity, drag, queer theory, porn, kink, furries, trans etc should be negligible.

Overton upthread I added the Loughton written question which might help?

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Tim Loughton's question revealed this, as it contained information about them invoicing the DfE for a "report on English KS1" in financial year 2020/21. From the Excel file here downloadable here:

questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2021-10-22/61056

@ResisterRex
from this docs.google.com/document/d/1enqB91klIZxDuwwANMu3DKCM9jfadEkOdqBuXft7azk/mobilebasic
transcription you posted (for which thank you very much).

Gooding said:

when I became chair I suppose my contribution to Stonewall's strategic agenda was to become trans inclusive because up until that point trans campaigning organisations were quite separate to gay rights and I don't know whether people are rewriting history but my understanding is that when Stonewall was formed there were trans organisations like Press For Change and there was a feeling at the moment that "we're here to attack Section 28 - that's actually not an issue for trans people". Also people felt there might be a confusion between sexual orientation and gender identity so the view at the time was it was better to have separate organisations

Isn’t that interesting ? So, Press for Change themselves had said Section 28 was not an issue for them - yet all the time now you hear the conflation of what it was formerly like for LGB people with any criticism of present day objections to TRA’s demands.

And he says that people [others not him] felt there might be a confusion between sexual orientation and gender identity. - Well weren’t they perfectly correct!

So, this whole mess has apparently come about, or become inflamed, because he pushed it all, apparently against the original wishes of trans people.

Did anyone see the Labour MP Feryal Clark (Shadow Minister for Primary Care) tweeted about this? She called it absolute nonsense, and said she expected her two year old’s nursery to teach them how to use the potty and nap, not gender identity. Another one is with us!

She’s taking a lot of abuse for her position. Unsurprisingly it’s people calling her a bad mum and telling her to get off the internet and do childcare (she’s a professional politician, doing her job). They really do hate women with an opinion.

You can see how they get to this insane point when you think about it. If gender identity is innate, and some people are just born with a gender identity that doesn’t match their sex, then there’s nothing odd about ‘recognising’ a two year old’s ‘gender identity’. Why wouldn’t you? You wouldn’t object to a two year old female child communicating that they were a girl, so why would you object when (or fail to help when) a two year old female child communicates that they are a boy?

The problem of course is that no such innate identity exists. These phenomena are psychosocial. By ‘recognising’ a two year old’s sex-incongruent ‘identity’, you are forming it.