Stonewall have change the word “research”

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This is an article citing “research”, which comes from the metro, by a female percentage who believes themselves to be a man.

stonewll does not understand normal child development and this charity is doing harm

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1550427949819695104?s=21&t=cGLUbAr7pnFA-jxzzZ6avw

I may be misunderstanding Twitter but it also seems this tweet has reached the US, where people are saying it's nonsense.

It'll be interesting to see if the Labour MP faces calls to lose the whip as that would perhaps force Labour into a position on trans toddlers.

@ResisterRex

There are calls for that from the usual anonymous suspects but I haven’t seen any of the ‘big name’ TRAs commenting. I think (or I wonder if?) even the likes of Katy M, Christine B etc are able to distinguish between recognising the rights of adults and more sentient children (you know, out of nappies) to personal autonomy, and going after actual babies, and if they aren’t, well, they at least seem to see that it’s atrocious PR.

@Conflictedunicorn

I’ve seen some people saying they ‘knew’ they were gay when they were three or four. Maybe that’s the case, I don’t know. But even though I had ‘crushes’ on boys at five and six, they weren’t sexual, and they didn’t require anyone to teach me anything. My mum said “oh”.

I reckon they’re legitimately quite scared at this point. Stonewall is doing catastrophic damage.

It’s fascinating that the criticism here is of the ‘woman: get back in the kitchen!’ variety. Isn’t it?

It’s almost as if the people criticising are not ‘progressive’ in the least about gender roles.

Excruciating. 🤦

@CharlieAndTooManyCharacters

My god, it is. ‘What sort of a mother are you?’

Er, LOL.

Birthing parent, if you please.

There is a worrying move to "queer theory early years curriculum". This is just another example of that. We need to keep the pressure up by writing to ofsted and the email address if the education Secretary complaining about safeguarding being overridden and indoctrination in schools . Even if people get fobbed off, writing to the government and your MP has an impact.

@2fallsfromSSA I'm sure you'll know but GIRES has EYFS/KS1 lessons and material:

www.gires.org.uk/penguin-land-book/ (Where you can order a free book)

www.gires.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Schools-Lesson-Plan-The-Penguin-Land-Books-20190701.pdf - the lesson plans for the books. And a name game:

The books
"Each story starts in the same way, but ends differently:
Sally’s story is about a young penguin whose gender identity as a girl, was not immediately understood by her family, they thought she was a boy;
Tom’s story is the reverse, the family thought he was a girl; and
Blur’s story is about an identity that is neither boy nor girl (non-binary)."

The name game

"Name game: (age 5 – 6) Can we tell if a person is a boy or girl because of their names? What about names that could be either, like Alex. What are the names of your family members (siblings, parents)? Are they names that tell us whether they are one or the other, or are they gender neutral names? If children in the class have Asian, African-Caribbean or other names – talk about these with the children. In their different cultures, do names indicate whether a person is a boy or girl? Can we always tell from the name, if they are not ones that we are used to? Invite the children to say whether the following are boys or girls? Akuchi (b), Mysha (g), Izyan (b), Shakarri (g), Asher (b), Jayla (g), Dion (b), Kamaria (g), Qamar (b), Lesedi (g) Adisa (b), or any others…"

My husband and I took to asking whether she felt like a boy or girl, or neither, to let her know we were listening and keeping tabs on any progression either way

Translation: my husband and I are itching to have a ‘special’ trans child and think if we coach them enough and plant the seeds of doubt in their developing mind, we’ll get one. We’ve made sure that their ‘identity’ is better embedded by telling as many people as we can that they must affirm them.

I too think it’s child abuse to do this. The parents aren’t listening and watching. They’re asking leading questions and mis-representing reality to their child. It’s despicable, frankly.

that sentence about showing they were ‘keeping tabs’ on any progression sounds outright sinister. If you replaced gender as the the thing they were monitoring so closely, even they would be shouting about controlling parents and child abuse. But all bets are off and the rules are inverted if it’s gender it appears.

Is anyone on this thread a child development expert?

I am going to write and complain about Stonewall to the charities commission - they need you to provide evidence and I don't suppose a link to a shitty tweet will be enough.

I think the basis of a complaint could be that SW are causing
"serious harm to the people the charity helps or other people who come into contact with the charity through its work"
forms.charitycommission.gov.uk/raising-concerns/

I'm really pressed for time, kids are sick and the cupboards are bare and the laundry is everywhere and work deadlines were yesterday - but I can't concentrate on anything because of the FURY I have over this dangerous organisation.

I mean, look at their board - www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/who-we-are

Not a single person who'd know the first thing about children on there. The "schools and youth" person has a background in "community building and changemaking at four different universities" and has helped out at her own kid's primary school. What. The. Actual. Fuck.

There is one doctor on the trustees, who works in HIV and sexual health - which is good, but, there is no psychiatrist or psychologist or paediatrician.

This organisation is mainly run by people who are from the 3rd sector. What do they know about healthy bodies or minds?

What would you include in a letter of complaint to CC about SW?

1. states that research says children have a sense of gender from age of 2 - without citing the research. Which turns out to be an anonymous letter in a free newspaper by a trans man who writes like a journalist
2. has no expertise in child development or health on their board
3. cites flawed research and dismisses peer reviewed publications
4. ?

vivarium An idea is that what they're saying goes against the statutory EYFS.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/early-years-foundation-stage-framework--2

The document:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/974907/EYFSSframework--March_2021.pdf

There is nothing in this statutory framework about imposing ideas on children at all. Rather, there are 7 areas which are crucial to development.

Page 8 (to 10?) seem to be important pages on what children should be doing at nursery. Importantly it states that "the development of children’s spoken language underpins all seven areas of learning and development".

It is possible that much would be made of, or read into "Children should be supported to manage emotions, develop a positive sense of self, set themselves simple goals, have confidence in their own abilities, to persist and wait for what they want and direct attention as necessary..." under the expansion of "personal, social and emotional development" (the positive sense of self bit) as a "defence" to support the "research" but that's a reach. Especially against the importance of back-and-forth interactions from an early age for forming the foundations for language and cognitive development, and as development of language is the key to all seven areas:

"Three areas are particularly important for building a foundation for igniting children’s curiosity and enthusiasm for learning, forming relationships and thriving. These are the prime areas:
• communication and language
• physical development
• personal, social and emotional development
Providers must also support children in four specific areas, through which the three prime areas are strengthened and applied. The specific areas are:
• literacy
• mathematics
• understanding the world
• expressive arts and design

Communication and Language
The development of children’s spoken language underpins all seven areas of learning and development. Children’s back-and-forth interactions from an early age form the foundations for language and cognitive development. The number and quality of the conversations they have with adults and peers throughout the day in a language-rich environment is crucial. By commenting on what children are interested in or doing, and echoing back what they say with new vocabulary added, practitioners will build children's language effectively. Reading frequently to children, and engaging them actively in stories, non-fiction, rhymes and poems, and then providing them with extensive opportunities to use and embed new words in a range of contexts, will give children the opportunity to thrive. Through conversation, story-telling and role play, where children share their ideas with support and modelling from their teacher, and sensitive questioning that invites them to elaborate, children become comfortable using a rich range of vocabulary and language structures"

Understanding the World
Understanding the world involves guiding children to make sense of their physical world and their community. The frequency and range of children’s personal experiences increases their knowledge and sense of the world around them – from visiting parks, libraries and museums to meeting important members of society such as police officers, nurses and firefighters. In addition, listening to a broad selection of stories, non-fiction, rhymes and poems will foster their understanding of our culturally, socially, technologically and ecologically diverse world. As well as building important knowledge, this extends their familiarity with words that support understanding across domains. Enriching and widening children’s vocabulary will support later reading comprehension.

Understanding the world involves guiding children to make sense of their physical world and their community.

An absolutely fundamental understanding of the physical world of the human animal entails knowing that there are males and females - men and women, boys and girls- just as there are with horses.

What any responsible adult does NOT do is start messing with this understanding.

REVERSE! REVERSE!

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1551533727158771715

That statement makes things worse. What have these stereotypes got to do with trans identity if they believe trans is nothing to do with stereotypes?

I see they remembered to turn off replies.

"It might mean not forcing children to conform to stereotypes, and it might mean challenging bullying that relates to perceived difference."

But it might mean that??

"We were commenting on an article"

Not citing it as research??

Nice and clear as ever.

Do they really think we're all that stupid??

It was all about 2 mummies and daddies, and letting kids play with what they like, nuthin about trans, all age appropriate, honest guv!

It's pathetic, quite desperate really - we simultaneously uphold and condemn gender stereotypes.

we believe that young children should be able to play, explore and learn about who they are, and the world around them, without having adults’ ideas imposed upon them. so leave those kids alone -stop interfering- simple.

Tooooo late stonewall.

You endorsed this:

My husband and I took to asking whether she felt like a boy or girl, or neither, to let her know we were listening and keeping tabs on any progression either way.

I was bathing her one time when the question came up, and she said ‘I’m a boy’.

She went quiet for a moment, looking down at the bubbles deep in thought. Then she looked up again. With a confident smile, she confirmed, ‘I’m a boy today’.

I suspect her teachers don’t think she’s ‘old enough’ for gender nonconformity, despite published research confirming that children as young as two to three recognise their gender, and can identify their own transness.

You believe that children can be trans.

I'm so glad all this is coming to light.

People won't stop there, they will be asking you, what the bloody hell is the criteria that you use to determine if a child is transgender.

Come on let's have it.

Because if it's 'gender nonconformity', let's bloody hear it. Let's hear what you think is gender nonconformity.

This outdated, regressive, sexist claptrap needs highlighting.

An excellent sign.

God knows how you made sense of my post, with all that daft auto correct!

Just keep plugging away. Write to your MP, write to the charity commission. Stonewall believe that children as young as two can be transgender.

My question is what is the criteria? They don't appear to say so. They include cross dressing fetishists and drag queens as being transgender. So what is the criteria for a two-year-old?

If children in our country are being taught this in schools on the back of Stonewall policy, then it needs to be clear.

Stonewall will be the architects of their own downfall, I have no doubt, whatsoever. All we need to do is keep highlighting what they are saying.