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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Stonewall have change the word “research”

193 replies

stealtheatingtunnocks · 23/07/2022 11:49

This is an article citing “research”, which comes from the metro, by a female percentage who believes themselves to be a man.

stonewll does not understand normal child development and this charity is doing harm

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1550427949819695104?s=21&t=cGLUbAr7pnFA-jxzzZ6avw

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ResisterRex · 26/07/2022 06:11

In the Mail:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11048183/Stonewall-rows-tweet-said-children-young-two-transgender.html

If writing to MPs, I think the fact they have not apologised is important. Plus that the "research" doesn't exist and that the ideas pushed in the first tweet depart from the statutory EYFS framework. And Kavanagh's analysis of the climb down:

dennisnoelkavanagh.substack.com/p/not-in-my-name-part-deux

Metabigot · 26/07/2022 06:37

Maybe stonewall will now find that piggybacking the T on to LGB was not such a good idea after a.

The average not very aware member of the public will lump T in with gay rights so by stonewall talking about 2 year olds they may conflate transgenderism and sexuality in tgis age group. Which is abhorrent to 99% of the population.

Spectacular own goal there stonewall.
And poetic justice indeed!

Metabigot · 26/07/2022 06:54

BreatheAndFocus · 25/07/2022 18:30

More Stonewall lies. They lied about the law and got away with it, so now they think they can lie about something we all saw and read by saying we misunderstood it and they didn’t actually say what they patently did say.

They’re so used to talking utter shite wrapped up in arrogant babble, that they’ve lost all self-awareness. Their silly glossary, their redefining of homoSEXuality, their stupid great ‘trans’ umbrella, their incoherent explanations of Gender Ideology - they’re falling apart now and I’m glad. Can’t come a day too soon. They bear no resemblance at all to the previously admirable charity of the same name.

Well this is the whole problem when they have an ideology based on ' if I believe the sky is green and the grass is blue it must be really true because I SAY so!'

You can fool some of the people some of the time as the saying goes....

ResisterRex · 26/07/2022 09:32

On the Early Years question:

http://web.archive.org/web/20210118135216/https:/www.stonewall.org.uk/system/files/anintrootosupportingglgbtyounggpeople2020.pdf

"Our Getting Started guides offer further help and support for Early Years Settings and Primary Schools, you can find them on our website."
p7

"Our Getting Started toolkits for Early Years, Primary and Secondary schools and settings can also help you develop your work."
p15

<a class="break-all" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20201012124056/www.stonewall.org.uk/system/files/getting_started_early_years.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://web.archive.org/web/20201012124056/www.stonewall.org.uk/system/files/getting<a class="break-all" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20201012124056/www.stonewall.org.uk/system/files/getting_started_early_years.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">startedd<a class="break-all" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20201012124056/www.stonewall.org.uk/system/files/getting_started_early_years.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">earlyyears.pdf

Some definitions from the "getting started early years" include:

"ORIENTATION is an umbrella term describing a person’s attraction to other people. This attraction may be sexual (sexual orientation) and/or romantic (romantic orientation). These terms refers to a person’s sense of identity based on their attractions, or lack thereof. Orientations include, but are not limited to, lesbian, gay, bi, ace and straight

ROMANTIC ORIENTATION is a person’s romantic attraction to other people, or lack thereof. Along with sexual orientation, this forms a person’s orientation identity. Stonewall uses the term ‘orientation’ as an umbrella term covering sexual and romantic orientations.

SEX is assigned to a person on the basis of primary sex characteristics (genitalia) and reproductive functions. Sometimes the terms ‘sex’ and ‘gender’ are interchanged to mean ‘male’ or ‘female’"
p68

Emotionalsupportviper · 26/07/2022 09:49

Datun · 25/07/2022 21:58

They're not clarifying their tweet.

They are addressing an issue which no one challenged and wasn't in the article.

And the whole world and his wife, sorry, non-male marriage partner, can see it.

Yes - the "clarification" is a lesson in obfuscation and outright lying.

FemaleAndLearning · 26/07/2022 12:16

Really good summary of actions we can take thank you @TimeToAct

ScreamingMeMe · 26/07/2022 13:36

TENI has been at it as well:

Trans Equality Network Ireland echoes the shocking assertions of Stonewall that 'transgender' children start identifying their gender between 0-5 years of age stating “evidence suggests that this expression usually takes place by age 2-3.”.

t.co/70G0sn3W8a t.co/aYeUFynFN5

twitter.com/TheCountessIE/status/1551680223611166722?t=OtVMjfrZ9bEJXAN98CHHfQ&s=19

TENI goes further, in their advisory document held on the @INTOnews
website, for teachers delivering Gender Identity “education” to schoolchildren recommending teachers discuss surgeries and what they euphemistically call “medicine” (i.e. puberty blockers and cross sex hormones)

t.co/cuegT2o6OA

with young children, including primary school children.
This organisation have ready given training in Primary schools in Ireland.
#SexNotGender #WeWillBeHeard

Stonewall have change the word “research”
Stonewall have change the word “research”
ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 26/07/2022 14:52

The heading Stonewall have changed the word “research” made me laugh. They claim the right to change the meaning of any word that doesn't mean what they'd like it to mean, even the pronouns! So it's no surprise that, in Stonewallish, 'research' now means 'something I just thought of'.

Now if only we'd all just agree to stop speaking English and speak Stonewallish.

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 26/07/2022 14:54

Metabigot · 26/07/2022 06:37

Maybe stonewall will now find that piggybacking the T on to LGB was not such a good idea after a.

The average not very aware member of the public will lump T in with gay rights so by stonewall talking about 2 year olds they may conflate transgenderism and sexuality in tgis age group. Which is abhorrent to 99% of the population.

Spectacular own goal there stonewall.
And poetic justice indeed!

Good point!

Plopplopboogey · 26/07/2022 15:35

I have a boy aged 4 and a girl aged 2. All they know about “gender” is that a human child with a penis is called a boy and a human child with a vulva is called a girl. There are no other significant differences at this age. When they ask, I will tell them that being one or the other has no bearing on what you wear, what you play with, what your interests are.

At 4, my son has started asking questions like why don’t boys wear dresses and why his sister wears a swimsuit when he wears trunks. I tell him I don’t really know, because honestly I don’t. For now I just say that boys can wear dresses but many of them prefer not to. I don’t know if it’s the right approach but I want to avoid reinforcing gender stereotypes as much as I can, as I think both traditional conservative and trans ideologies do.

ResisterRex · 26/07/2022 19:28

I think the reverse ferret has been amended?

mobile.twitter.com/Lachlan_Edi/status/1551918254347649024

New statement

www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/stonewall-statement-22-july-tweet-inclusive-education

"We were commenting on an article written by a parent reflecting on how their child was being cared for at nursery. The parent was worried that their child was being pressured to fit in with stereotypes about boys and girls. We believe that young children should be able to play, explore and learn about who they are, and the world around them, without having adults’ ideas imposed upon them."

Original one (archived)

web.archive.org/web/20220725131707/www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/stonewall-statement-22-july-tweet-inclusive-education

"We were commenting on <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220725131707/metro.co.uk/2022/07/19/my-4-year-old-is-gender-nonconforming-her-nursery-doesnt-respect-that-16969054/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">an article written by a parent reflecting on how their child was being cared for at nursery. The parent was worried that their child was being pressured to fit in with stereotypes about boys and girls. While we don’t actively work on nursery education, we believe that young children should be able to play, explore and learn about who they are, and the world around them, without having adults’ ideas imposed upon them."

It's been changed, hasn't it?

Emotionalsupportviper · 26/07/2022 20:42

It has been changed - but any organisation which dare claim they "research suggests" when the truth is "some attention-seeking dipshit is making stuff up".

BloodyCamping · 26/07/2022 20:59

Datun · 23/07/2022 12:24

My husband and I took to asking whether she felt like a boy or girl, or neither, to let her know we were listening and keeping tabs on any progression either way.

I was bathing her one time when the question came up, and she said ‘I’m a boy’.

She went quiet for a moment, looking down at the bubbles deep in thought. Then she looked up again. With a confident smile, she confirmed, ‘I’m a boy today’.

I suspect her teachers don’t think she’s ‘old enough’ for gender nonconformity, despite published research confirming that children as young as two to three recognise their gender, and can identify their own transness.

While my daughter’s identity is still in its early formative stages, it’s hard to know if I should act against the school or teachers, because I can’t fully know what happened in the first place.

Jesus.

Heck, a prime example of early stage coercion. The child is female and should not be squished into 1950s gender stereotypes

ScrollingLeaves · 26/07/2022 21:18

The parent was worried that their child was being pressured to fit in with stereotypes about boys and girls. We believe that young children should be able to play, explore and learn about who they are, and the world around them, without having adults’ ideas imposed upon them.

They were not worried that their child was being pressured to fit in with stereotypes about boys and girls ( being told to play with stereotypical toys or wear stereotypical clothes for their sex)

The original tweet was about how they were worried about a child being told their sex.

So they are lying and obfuscating.

And yes, they are now, in Reverse 2, leaving out the part in Reverse 1 where they were lying about not being involved in nursery education.

LK1972 · 27/07/2022 01:46

ResisterRex · 26/07/2022 19:28

I think the reverse ferret has been amended?

mobile.twitter.com/Lachlan_Edi/status/1551918254347649024

New statement

www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/stonewall-statement-22-july-tweet-inclusive-education

"We were commenting on an article written by a parent reflecting on how their child was being cared for at nursery. The parent was worried that their child was being pressured to fit in with stereotypes about boys and girls. We believe that young children should be able to play, explore and learn about who they are, and the world around them, without having adults’ ideas imposed upon them."

Original one (archived)

web.archive.org/web/20220725131707/www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/stonewall-statement-22-july-tweet-inclusive-education

"We were commenting on <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220725131707/metro.co.uk/2022/07/19/my-4-year-old-is-gender-nonconforming-her-nursery-doesnt-respect-that-16969054/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">an article written by a parent reflecting on how their child was being cared for at nursery. The parent was worried that their child was being pressured to fit in with stereotypes about boys and girls. While we don’t actively work on nursery education, we believe that young children should be able to play, explore and learn about who they are, and the world around them, without having adults’ ideas imposed upon them."

It's been changed, hasn't it?

Wow, didn't realize they were forced to remove that outright and documented untruth!

Amazing stuff, all a-flutter for the next version Wink

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/07/2022 09:40

I suppose when something's so wrapped up in fiction / untruths and deception, reverse ferreting is a repeated activity.
And I love their idea of education as being free of the imposition of adult ideas (said no parent or educator ever).
They don't want adult ideas about facts, science, free speech, democracy safeguarding or child development near children but are happy to impose the fiction that 2 year olds are trans Confused

Dreikanter · 27/07/2022 11:16

I’ve seen discussion on this article being the “research” alluded to but not referenced:

www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1909367116#sec-2

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/07/2022 11:30

I think that that is because the "research" is just an anecdote, @Dreikanter

Trust me - if there was even a single research paper that suggested - or even considered - this, they would tweet the bejabers out of it!

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