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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Stonewall have change the word “research”

193 replies

stealtheatingtunnocks · 23/07/2022 11:49

This is an article citing “research”, which comes from the metro, by a female percentage who believes themselves to be a man.

stonewll does not understand normal child development and this charity is doing harm

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1550427949819695104?s=21&t=cGLUbAr7pnFA-jxzzZ6avw

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stealtheatingtunnocks · 23/07/2022 11:50

twitter.com/speyquine/status/1550752516027056129?s=21&t=cGLUbAr7pnFA-jxzzZ6avw

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SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 23/07/2022 12:02

Fools! It's like a 10 year old has been left in charge again

orangeisthenewpuce · 23/07/2022 12:03

I saw this on Twitter. Absolute bilge

ResisterRex · 23/07/2022 12:04

They're getting a lot of "feedback" on Twitter about this.

Pickanameforme · 23/07/2022 12:06

I'm blocked by Stonewall, despite never having engaged with them. What gem's are they coming up with now?

mrshoho · 23/07/2022 12:08

I'm enjoying reading the comments. SW are doing a great job of helping organisations to disentangle from them pdq.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/07/2022 12:09

Stonewall are a menace. They're an adult group relentlessly targeting the youngest and most vulnerable of children.

ResisterRex · 23/07/2022 12:11

Pickanameforme · 23/07/2022 12:06

I'm blocked by Stonewall, despite never having engaged with them. What gem's are they coming up with now?

"Research suggests that children as young as 2 recognise their trans identity. Yet, many nurseries and schools teach a binary understanding of pre-assigned gender.

LGBTQ-inclusive and affirming education is crucial for the wellbeing of all young people! 🌈"

ResisterRex · 23/07/2022 12:12

Then there's also a link to this in their tweet

metro.co.uk/2022/07/19/my-4-year-old-is-gender-nonconforming-her-nursery-doesnt-respect-that-16969054/

CharlieAndTooManyCharacters · 23/07/2022 12:14

Children as young as 2 don’t have a clue about just about anything. I mean… have these people met a young child?

At 2 they are just about getting to grips with a sense of self at all. Never mind anything as socially complex as an ‘identity’.

These ridiculous, attention seeking parents don’t need validation. They need to be told that 2 year olds say they are boys/dogs/buzz light year/all sorts. They’re playing!

Pickanameforme · 23/07/2022 12:20

Thanks Resister. After seeing Stonewalls performance at the ET I wouldn't let any of them anywhere near a child

Datun · 23/07/2022 12:20

Apparently they got their information from an anonymous article in Metro?

The parents of this child kept asking whether they were a boy or a girl today and one day when the girl said she was a boy today, they took that as some kind of inner gender identity.

How dare they make a child believe that she can be either a boy or a girl, and when she picks boy, take it to mean some kind of psychological identity. It's child abuse.

Stonewall need shutting down.

This really is too much.

Datun · 23/07/2022 12:24

My husband and I took to asking whether she felt like a boy or girl, or neither, to let her know we were listening and keeping tabs on any progression either way.

I was bathing her one time when the question came up, and she said ‘I’m a boy’.

She went quiet for a moment, looking down at the bubbles deep in thought. Then she looked up again. With a confident smile, she confirmed, ‘I’m a boy today’.

I suspect her teachers don’t think she’s ‘old enough’ for gender nonconformity, despite published research confirming that children as young as two to three recognise their gender, and can identify their own transness.

While my daughter’s identity is still in its early formative stages, it’s hard to know if I should act against the school or teachers, because I can’t fully know what happened in the first place.

Jesus.

IvyTwines · 23/07/2022 12:27

Two year olds. Nursery schools. This is surely it for Stonewall.

Dreikanter · 23/07/2022 12:27

My 4 yr old was really into steam locomotives.

Should I now claim that he was a trains identifying toddler?

mrshoho · 23/07/2022 12:30

CharlieAndTooManyCharacters · 23/07/2022 12:14

Children as young as 2 don’t have a clue about just about anything. I mean… have these people met a young child?

At 2 they are just about getting to grips with a sense of self at all. Never mind anything as socially complex as an ‘identity’.

These ridiculous, attention seeking parents don’t need validation. They need to be told that 2 year olds say they are boys/dogs/buzz light year/all sorts. They’re playing!

So true. My daughter went through a stage of being obsessed with birds when she was 2,3,4. She made little beaks for all her cuddly toys and used to ask me to make a beak for her to wear. Surprisingly I didn't affirm her identity as a bird. She moved on to penguins and then cats by age 6.

CharlieAndTooManyCharacters · 23/07/2022 12:37

Maybe those parents could do
with reading the research that clearly shows that parental attitudes and responses profoundly shape young children‘s emerging sense of self. The fact these parents seemed determined to have a special trans child is not going to be coincidental.

Datun · 23/07/2022 12:49

Do these parents really believe that toy preference, or sartorial choices, are really an indication of one's sex? Because I suspect they do.

I strongly suspect that the internalised sexism is so deeply embedded they cannot conceive of another explanation as to why a girl might not want to wear a dress, or a boy might want to play with jewellery.

Stonewall are ensuring that we are raising generation after generation of sexists.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/07/2022 12:49

The parents of this child kept asking whether they were a boy or a girl today and one day when the girl said she was a boy today, they took that as some kind of inner gender identity.

The mother of this child is an FTM trans person.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/07/2022 12:50

The fact these parents seemed determined to have a special trans child is not going to be coincidental.

The female parent is trans themselves.

PearlClutch · 23/07/2022 12:51

What 'research' are they talking about? John Money is cited in some tweets, there.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money

'A 1997 academic study criticized Money's work in many respects, particularly in regard to the involuntary sex-reassignment of the child David Reimer.[4] Reimer committed suicide at 38 and his brother died of an overdose at 34. Some of Money's therapy sessions involved sexual activity between the two brothers.'

Or do they mean some other 'research'?

Whatwouldscullydo · 23/07/2022 12:53

If they know as young as 2 then why do they need puberty blocked to get extra time to work it out?

ResisterRex · 23/07/2022 12:54

What "research"? Still unclear to me. Even the Metro thing says something about "research" but doesn't cite any.

CharlieAndTooManyCharacters · 23/07/2022 12:56

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/07/2022 12:50

The fact these parents seemed determined to have a special trans child is not going to be coincidental.

The female parent is trans themselves.

That doesn’t surprise me at all. They clearly weren’t getting enough attention without transing their toddler too 🙄

PearlClutch · 23/07/2022 12:59

'She’ll talk about stereotypically girly things like princesses in a way that makes me feel like she’s parroting things she knows girls are ‘supposed’ to like.'

Gosh, it's almost as if she's learning about 'gender' according to arbitrarily created societal stereotypes, isn't it?

Presumably the parent thinks that one is born with an innate preference for 'girly' things or 'boyish' things?

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