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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Joanna Cherry has been elected as the new Chair of the Joint Committee on Human Rights

227 replies

Clymene · 20/07/2022 18:12

What a wonderful accolade!

I'm so pleased for her. I know she'll do a phenomenal job - compassionate, kind and wise

twitter.com/humanrightsctte/status/1549792744134086656?s=21&t=hlRmao7fOyr3B5hhnvW1wQ

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Waitwhat23 · 25/07/2022 09:20

When I hear 'trans people don't have rights and you want us not to exist!!!', I wonder if this is the kind of thing they are referring to - edinburghath.tumblr.com/post/163521055802/trans-health-manifesto

Obvious nonsense, demanding rights that no-one else on the planet has.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 25/07/2022 09:42

I’m guessing @violetglow7 won’t come back

which I find very frustrating although I’m trying to learn to let it go

it’s just so rude to throw out very serious slurs about a person and refuse to back them up

Roseglen84 · 25/07/2022 10:33

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 25/07/2022 09:42

I’m guessing @violetglow7 won’t come back

which I find very frustrating although I’m trying to learn to let it go

it’s just so rude to throw out very serious slurs about a person and refuse to back them up

I've long since given up on the ploppers actually constructing a common sense argument or a coherent viewpoint that goes beyond 'waaah, you big meanies'.

I think it makes them feel good to swan in, throw around a few outraged insults and swan off again, not engaging with actual discussion or answering actual questions because very quickly their 'argument' falls apart like wet cake.

Once their usual 'you are big meanies, why are you all so hateful?' tactic doesn't work, they try a few others:

  • the link dump - usually from pink news, or some other 'unbiased' source, which is of course completely biased and usually nonsense, or 'statistics', from a self report group of 11 participants or something.
  • or 'evil by association' - they will take one quote, or a bit of tweet from some media 'baddie' or right wing person, and say 'look at the evil you all align yourself with'.
Apollo442 · 25/07/2022 10:43

I assume the likes of GoodJanetBadJanet and their ilk won't answer the question 'what rights don't trans people have?' Is
a) there are no rights they don't have
b) the rights they are demanding conflict squarely with women and girl's rights and they don't want to admit it and can't make a coherent case for it.

Apollo442 · 25/07/2022 10:45

There should be an OR between a) and b).

Roseglen84 · 25/07/2022 10:50

Apollo442 · 25/07/2022 10:43

I assume the likes of GoodJanetBadJanet and their ilk won't answer the question 'what rights don't trans people have?' Is
a) there are no rights they don't have
b) the rights they are demanding conflict squarely with women and girl's rights and they don't want to admit it and can't make a coherent case for it.

Yes, exactly. The 'rights' they demand, are really wants. The want to be validated and for their self image to be reflected back to them.

This is not a right, but an ego boost. Most of us don't get to demand this, especially not as cost to others.
Unfortunately, many have a victimhood complex, which means they don't see or care about other people's feelings, only their wants.

Roseglen84 · 25/07/2022 11:02

Waitwhat23 · 25/07/2022 09:20

When I hear 'trans people don't have rights and you want us not to exist!!!', I wonder if this is the kind of thing they are referring to - edinburghath.tumblr.com/post/163521055802/trans-health-manifesto

Obvious nonsense, demanding rights that no-one else on the planet has.

This is actually hilarious...talk about ultimate narcissism and delusion:

We fight for an end to borders, prisons and police.

We demand immediate release & pardon for all trans prisoners.

We demand material reparations for historical abuses against trans people.

We demand mandatory education, written & taught entirely by trans people, at all educational stages.

There will be no clinics, and no authorities.

and yet...

We demand that all therapies that can be are made available at drop-ins, with self-referral for any therapy or procedure for which drop-in is unsuitable.

We demand anonymous blood tests, both postal & at drop-in endocrinology clinics

We demand medical training.

That whole ridiculous post reminds me of those weird manifestos that incel guys write, where they construct a world that serves them and their needs entirely, and nobody else matters, or other people are only ever thought of in regards to how they can serve this persons needs.

Incredibly selfish and entitled. And yet somehow paint themselves always as the victim.

RhannionKPSS · 25/07/2022 12:08

The writers of that nonsense are complete bampots, unfortunately some of them turned up at a pro choice demo at the USA embassy & were allowed to speak before any of the women there. No trans men spoke.
It’s very clear they want to piggyback their demands onto something that has absolutely bugger all to do with them.

GoodJanetBadJanet · 25/07/2022 12:11

the link dump - usually from pink news, or some other 'unbiased' source, which is of course completely biased and usually nonsense, or 'statistics', from a self report group of 11 participants or something.
I haven't posted a link, but know what you mean - this goes both ways though
I've lost count of the times "GC" posters have posted links to people's blogs citing them as articles .
No they're not, they're randomers with a loud opinion/big platform on the internet.
Absolutely anyone can set up and have a blog, I have one myself.
(Nothing trans related though)

SSReye · 25/07/2022 12:16

I've lost count of the times "GC" posters have posted links to people's blogs citing them as articles .
No they're not, they're randomers with a loud opinion/big platform on the internet.

The difference being that JKR will tweet about the blog post, the Daily Mail prints a story about JKR tweeting about it and somehow it's become 'truth'.

GoodJanetBadJanet · 25/07/2022 12:18

The difference being that JKR will tweet about the blog post, the Daily Mail prints a story about JKR tweeting about it and somehow it's become 'truth'
Yes, this too

IcakethereforeIam · 25/07/2022 12:19

At least we're in agreement about somethings.

The articles, blogs, can be interesting sometimes and they may have links to actual evidence.

Anything to put about, you know, the rights....?

LK1972 · 25/07/2022 12:21

Gosh, Janet's back!

So, @GoodJanetBadJanet, are you finally going to answer the question that so many have posed to you:

What rights don't trans people have?

GoodJanetBadJanet · 25/07/2022 12:22

As in celebrities with big platforms tweets something and then it gets media attention, and things get twisted/ passed off as truth.

FrancescaContini · 25/07/2022 12:24

Roseglen84 · 25/07/2022 11:02

This is actually hilarious...talk about ultimate narcissism and delusion:

We fight for an end to borders, prisons and police.

We demand immediate release & pardon for all trans prisoners.

We demand material reparations for historical abuses against trans people.

We demand mandatory education, written & taught entirely by trans people, at all educational stages.

There will be no clinics, and no authorities.

and yet...

We demand that all therapies that can be are made available at drop-ins, with self-referral for any therapy or procedure for which drop-in is unsuitable.

We demand anonymous blood tests, both postal & at drop-in endocrinology clinics

We demand medical training.

That whole ridiculous post reminds me of those weird manifestos that incel guys write, where they construct a world that serves them and their needs entirely, and nobody else matters, or other people are only ever thought of in regards to how they can serve this persons needs.

Incredibly selfish and entitled. And yet somehow paint themselves always as the victim.

“Immediate release for all trans prisoners” Hilarious 😂

IcakethereforeIam · 25/07/2022 12:24

Is that a no then?

LK1972 · 25/07/2022 12:27

GoodJanetBadJanet · 25/07/2022 12:22

As in celebrities with big platforms tweets something and then it gets media attention, and things get twisted/ passed off as truth.

Terrible, isn't it?

What rights don't trans people have?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 25/07/2022 12:42

GoodJanetBadJanet · 25/07/2022 12:22

As in celebrities with big platforms tweets something and then it gets media attention, and things get twisted/ passed off as truth.

goodness that sounds bad

let's talk about it just as soon as you've explained what rights trans people in the UK don't have......

<all ears>

Waitwhat23 · 25/07/2022 12:55

RhannionKPSS · 25/07/2022 12:08

The writers of that nonsense are complete bampots, unfortunately some of them turned up at a pro choice demo at the USA embassy & were allowed to speak before any of the women there. No trans men spoke.
It’s very clear they want to piggyback their demands onto something that has absolutely bugger all to do with them.

If it's the people I'm thinking of, I'm not surprised at all. Proper bampots. They just absolutely can't bear any situation which doesn't centre them.

Deliriumoftheendless · 25/07/2022 13:38

Of course it’s a no.

otherwise it would have been answered ages ago.

GJBJ probably doesn’t believe it themselves but will insist on saying an empty phrase anyway.

BoredofthisCrap7 · 25/07/2022 16:16

Helleofabore · 25/07/2022 07:30

TTANP

I agree rabbiywoman. I am still reeling from the insult!!!!😁

I have reported your post for pengphobia.
Penguins identify as Tim Tams, who are you to say otherwise? They don't have to look like them, they are who they say they are!
Mumsnet is a cess pit of pengphobic posts.

TTAP

In fact, Penguins are BETTER at being Tim Tams than actual Tim Tams.
Actually, I'm calling them non-Timtams now, I think it's only inclusive.

LK1972 · 25/07/2022 16:20

@BoredofthisCrap7 so true, it is important to be inclusive, and Penguins who don't like that are far-right bigots!

LK1972 · 25/07/2022 16:21

On no, sorry, got my bigots wrong way around, those Tim Tams are the worst

CrossPurposes · 25/07/2022 16:21

Considering her moniker Good Janet Bad Janet there can be no answer to the question because the characters of Janet know everything in The Good Place.

Helleofabore · 25/07/2022 22:43

BoredofthisCrap7 · 25/07/2022 16:16

I have reported your post for pengphobia.
Penguins identify as Tim Tams, who are you to say otherwise? They don't have to look like them, they are who they say they are!
Mumsnet is a cess pit of pengphobic posts.

TTAP

In fact, Penguins are BETTER at being Tim Tams than actual Tim Tams.
Actually, I'm calling them non-Timtams now, I think it's only inclusive.

Oh my! Are you cancelling me and every Australian on the planet?

Penguins are most certainly NOT Tim Tams.

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