trans supporters and tactics

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I was posting on the now deleted thread about trans women who wanted to pee and it made me think about the tactics that are used by trans supporters. The "need to pee" one being obvious. Another used to be "be kind" but I think that is becoming a little outdated now. Ageism is another I've observed - whether it is calling people who support single sex spaces dinosaurs, or just pointing out as was done on the other thread that it tends to be slightly older women who support womens rights. Another is to call people phobic, because we associate the word with homophobic which is obviously abhorrent. Also the mention of DSDs. Any other tactics that I've missed?

Nice to see the real-time examples in the thread! I am sure lurkers will appreciate it.

Trans women are just like Black women, therefore feminists who object to men in women's spaces are racists

When you break this down, it's actually people arguing in a circle. It's a really common logical error. It's obvious if you write it out, but because the assumed premise isn't set out formally - TWAW - a lot of people don't realize that they are using a premise as their conclusion.

It's a bit of a window into how easy it is for many people to make errors like this without realizing it.

There's also an element where many people are actually afraid to challenge premises they have been given if they are told they are the basis of social justice. They function as completely unquestionable dogma.

“If you want single sex spaces, why don’t you set up your own?”
Women did.

unherd.com/2022/07/why-im-suing-survivors-network/

Alongside lies and misrepresentation of the Equality Act 2010 of what case-by-case and “discrimination can be justified if the person who's discriminating against you can show it's a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim” actually means.

Act like an arsehole on FWR, upsetting women, until you finally get banned, everyone breathes a sigh of relief, but then turn up again under a different incarnation being just as goady.

Or act like an arsehole on FWR, upsetting women whilst claiming you don't want to be here at all and are desperate to see some real feminism, somehow don't get banned, and just when you become notorious to all regular users as a goady, sea lioning arsehole, name change. Repeat this process again and again until we all start to question the point of our existence

That women have more important things to address than "gender neutral" language. And that the same things are happening to the language around men's health issues (or will be, when they get round to it). inews.co.uk/opinion/there-are-real-problems-for-womens-healthcare-gender-neutral-language-isnt-one-of-them-1744602.

Anybody know if the i paper accepts online comments on articles? I take the print version.

😅I really hope this is a wind up, although these days you just never know.

Whilst simultaneously using words like "dead name" 🙄

"I went into the bathroom and came out after loudly being yelled at that I was ‘a pervert.’"

inews.co.uk/news/uk/butch-lesbian-public-toilet-women-abuse-government-review-gender-neutral-facilities-833787

Are you saying this woman is lying?

Yes.

Ah yes, that's another good one. "Female people will be punished for not being feminine if they go in female toilets, therefore we can't have single-sex toilets. But also being a woman is about how feminine you are or aren't, and that's far easier to segregate toilets by."

Gosh, if only a certain very vocal group didn't continuously conflate 'female' and 'feminine' then perhaps people wouldn't be so confused about what a woman is.
Seems to me like perhaps the GC feminists trying hard to unpick this conflation might actually help situations like those reported in inews, but of course that'd be right-wing and bigoted.

Another tactic is usually by teenage boys who pretend to anti fascist and claim that women standing up for women's rights is fascism.

The contradictions are legion.

These ones too?

www.reuters.com/article/us-lawsuit-gender-idUSN1341998020080513

www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/05/18/this-cis-woman-experienced-transphobia-in-a-target-bathroom-and-she-was-shaken-to-the-core-video/

www.newstimes.com/local/article/Woman-mistaken-for-transgender-harassed-in-7471666.php

All in the US, what a surprise.

1. the only way women could ever be mistaken for trans women is if trans women DO start using women's toilets on a regular basis.

2. I find it really hard to believe that there actually exist many women who can't tell the difference.

There seems to be a big push amongst some trans women to dismiss "butch" women as not actual women. This was most notable after JKR hosted her lunch, and twitter was awash with "well I'm more of a woman than THAT!" comments. Presumably because their mere existence discredits the whole ideology. To use their own terminology, it seems some TRAs are trying to eradicate butch women. Which is literal genocide.

That's hilarious, even funnier some people say things like this and mean it haha

Women not wanting men in their toilets, and men ignoring that and going anyway, and the unintended consequences of women then being kicked out of their own toilets, is the fault of MEN not women.

Because of the deliberate obscuring of language by the media and other institutions, I can't take what used to be the reporting of perfectly straightforward words like woman, female or lesbian at face value now.

Too many news articles which say a 'woman' did something horrendous which proves in fact to be a male.

So no, I can't take those articles on face value. Blame the 'queering' of language.

Ah, yes. 'GC feminists are all about preserving sex stereotypes and punishing gender non-conforming people', despite the fact that most feminists are gender non-conforming themselves and many are lesbians or bisexual. A classic.

See also: 'Male violence is definitely feminists' fault'.

Aye, the inevitable ageist comments on the desirability of women and feminists. Comments on womens' breasts, body, skin, face. On our age, lack of sexual attractiveness. The endless sexist insults: witch/bitch/viper/hag

I recall Sally Hines saying something to the effect all GC feminists just needed a good seeing-to.

There seems to be a big push amongst some trans women to dismiss "butch" women as not actual women. This was most notable after JKR hosted her lunch, and twitter was awash with "well I'm more of a woman than THAT!" comments.

A certain TW who has the name of a country is full of those sort of comments and yet I thought it was all an inner essence that no-one can see therefore the outside wrapping is irrelevant. More contradictions.

I know!

My husband will be cooking dinner tonight. Also trans.

It surely must be parody. And yet....!

This place (England) is just so transphobic now that I don’t feel safe and am going to leave the country.

if only.

Re the ‘argument’ about having a gender neutral toilet at home - I know they are grasping at straws then. It’s quite fun demolishing it.

This recent CNN article was a classic of the genre and led me to delete the app.

edition.cnn.com/2022/07/17/uk/uk-conservative-leadership-trans-intl-gbr/index.html

Women's rights were described as 'anti-trans positions'

"One of Sunak's first policy pledges, after he announced his intention to run, was protecting "women's rights,"

It couldn't actually be about protecting women's rights - let's put that phrase in inverted commas.

polling suggests culture war issues, like trans rights, do not preoccupy the day-to-day lives of the British public,
No-one cares about this - why are you wasting everyone's time?

Descriptors like "biological woman" are considered slurs by trans advocates when they are deployed by gender critical activists
Reframing normal language to be offensive.

the sex one is assigned with at birth
Can a nurse do that or does one need a consultant?

suggesting gender does not exist and that a person is the sum total of their reproductive organs is reductive
Conflating recognising sex with the assignation of sex-based roles and expectations.

erasing the existence of trans and non-binary people
Aways erasing...

gender critical views, parroted by a largely sympathetic British press,
Easy vote-winner for a bigoted public who haven't looked into the issues

"We've got major cost-of-living crisis, we are facing down a global climate emergency, there is war in Ukraine... (and we are) dealing with the aftermath of Brexit -- the fact that the media are asking so obsessively about (trans) issues, and candidates are all being expected to pronounce their views on trans people's place in society is so disproportionate and scary," for a group that only accounts for an estimated 0.6% of the population, Kelley said.
SQUIRREL!!!!

Transphobia might not be an electorally viable strategy, but that has not stopped this year's leadership hopefuls.
Women's rights=transphobia