trans supporters and tactics

[applesandpears33]

I was posting on the now deleted thread about trans women who wanted to pee and it made me think about the tactics that are used by trans supporters. The "need to pee" one being obvious. Another used to be "be kind" but I think that is becoming a little outdated now. Ageism is another I've observed - whether it is calling people who support single sex spaces dinosaurs, or just pointing out as was done on the other thread that it tends to be slightly older women who support womens rights. Another is to call people phobic, because we associate the word with homophobic which is obviously abhorrent. Also the mention of DSDs. Any other tactics that I've missed?

I was having an online discussion about cis and how it is not necessary and makes women a subset of their own sex class. The other person said you use adjectives all the time like a tall woman!

Mansplaining to women how to do feminism - Grace Lavery on Woman's Hour was a classic example.

Oops, here's the link. The interview with Lavery starts about 17:25 minutes in: www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00162y8

Thought they all just tcweemed and tcweemed and tcweemed until they were sick (because they can) until they got there own way?

Simply ignoring any evidence. Links to research, articles, graphs are simply ignored. Any requests for links to their 'evidence' are ignored or met with 'you can do your own research'.

A new one I've seen becoming more common on Twitter is doing all the above, telling the other person the conversation is over and saying 'I've stated my boundaries, you must respect that'.

A new one I've seen becoming more common on Twitter is doing all the above, telling the other person the conversation is over and saying 'I've stated my boundaries, you must respect that'.

Well, we all know how much respect TRAs have for boundaries...!

Actually I think there is probably true to some extent, with regards to the kinds of arguments that have been mentioned here.

Some are just complete manipulators and normally intelligent but I think there is a higher incidence of people who struggle with these kinds of questions or in some cases have mental health issues.

In a certain sense a lot of them have been let down by those who should be protecting them.

Wrong side of history...

The most frequently used tactic is DARVO.

Just remember that when they accuse GC people of something, that is the exact thing they are doing to women.

Bear that in mind and much of what they say makes sense.

We can’t possibly tell who is male or female without a dna test. There are thousands of people who don’t realise they’re a different sex until after they’ve had one.

It’s impossible to segregate toilets without examining genitals (because obviously transwomen wouldn’t just respect the wishes of the vast majority of women).

Transwomen using womens toilets and transmen using mens toilets are perfectly symmetrical situations.

Women commit sexual crimes too (no mention of rates).

Every trans person understands the difference between sex and gender, then goes on to describe transwomen as female.

Terfs think infertile women are men, because they say only women can give birth.

Ageism is another I've observed

Also that we are 'baffled' or 'scared by change'

As if we're doddering and struggling to keep up in the modern world (instead of being the ones going to work every day and keeping it running)

There is a lot of forced teaming (which can be quite subtle - even just chipping in with the idea they have the same issue when you're talking about something) - but also overt teaming - 'no LGB without the T', 'especially trans and people of colour' 'especially trans and immigrants' 'trans and intersex' - I've noticed it's very rare for trans to stand on their own with an issue, they tend to piggyback other people's oppression.

I literally got that the other day talking about toilets.

But when I state my boundaries..... Hmmmm....

How they deal with evidence....

'what is your source? Show me your source.'

I provide a link.....

'that's right wing/ Christian evangelical / anti-semetic/ has been debunked/ that person is a bigot / David Bell never even worked for GIDS/ self-hating trans person / internalised homophobia'

Also, I get called 'aunt Lydia' a lot, fascinating reference to a handmaid's tale, even though attwoood's work is literally about how women are treated because of their biology.....

..... and how I reduce women to their biological functions.

Yes!!!! The difference between men and women is their biological functions, ffs.....

Bigot. Anyone who disagrees even the slightest bit with trans ideology is a bigot.

Having millions of directly contradictory arguments, and selecting whichever one seems most powerful at that moment. For example:

Most people have no idea what their chromosomes are. And you've been sharing spaces with trans women for years and you haven't even noticed.

But also: gender is entirely internal, and you must use female pronouns for bearded men in dresses.

Or: trans isn't a medical condition, and stereotypes are toxic and outdated.

But also: young children must be heavily and irreversibly medicated if they play with the "wrong" toys.

"How dare you call yourself trans widows, you're disgusting, that's an insult to actual widows. You're saying you wish your ex partner dead, you vile bigots. It's not about you. A kind person would love their partner for who they are, not for their gender."

Oh and rewriting the meaning of what domestic abuse is so that our husbands can say they are domestic abuse victims if we don't agree they are a woman.

'Look at who you are agreeing with, such a fascist/ right wing loon/ extreme evangelical!'

As if nobody who isn't one of those things shares our views.

Trans rights are human rights. Which seems to be shorthand for saying “if you don’t 100%comply with my demands and subjugate yourself entirely you are breaching my fundamental human rights and are akin to a war criminal”.
See also: literal violence, as per PP.

#NoDebate which for me is the one of most egregious aspects of the TRA movement.

Describing anyone who expresses a vaguely gender critical view as “anti trans.” Er, the fact that I don’t want women’s changing rooms to be open season for any predatory male/voyeur/flasher does not mean I am anti trans!

"How dare you say that during pride month/ in the week before pride month/ just after pride month?"

Making EDI a massive thing, not in order to help people who actually might struggle in the workplace, but so that anyone who disagrees with them can be sacked.

Accusing us of fascism and white supremacy

There's a current fashion for TRAs to sanctimoniously pontificate about how there are more important things going on in the world, there's a pandemic and a cost of living, why are women fussing about trans issues? Well it's because you've spent the last few years completely ignoring those apparently more important things and obsessively campaigning for what you now say are petty non-issues because you want us to feel shamed into leaving it, letting you merrily carry on unopposed.

YY EdithStourton - especially when you look at who they're agreeing with but in the blessed hypocrisy they revel in, that never matters apparently.

"Who are you to tell someone who they are?"