Kemi Badenoch through to next round

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If you have a Conservative MP and want to protect the rights of women and safeguard children please email them TONIGHT and ask them to support Kemi.

Penny Mordaunt still the bookies favourite (and they aren't often wrong) but we need to let everyone know how dangerous it will be for this woman to become PM; I don't believe she has changed her mind for one moment.

Luckily Boris has been in and out of government for the past 12 years, and he definitely knows what a woman is, so many women have been well looked after by him.

Really interesting Twitter thread from Lewis Goodall with a Tory voters focus group. It's the cost of living that people are focused on. None of the candidates have much to say about that, least of all Badenoch

twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1547505264076722178?t=ItrrsLPQnM8Dq8R4CHYCQw&s=19

I mean by female what everyone else means by female:

of the sex class that can produce eggs/bear young.

I think they have a hard row to hoe with CoL, there is not much that a PM can really do about it.

@Ereshkigalangcleg: Not sure what you're asking; but Badenoch thinks it's a problem that men who identify as women should be counted as women for the purpose of reporting on the make-up of the board of directors, while Pink News would think it a problem if such men weren't counted as women for any purpose whatsoever.

You’ll have to do better than that - unless you think prepubescent girls and post menopausal women aren’t female. Try the chromosome arguement.

You’ll have to do better than that - unless you think prepubescent girls and post menopausal women aren’t female. Try the chromosome arguement.

I think you misread. Prepubescent girls and post menopausal women, and women who don’t ovulate for whatever reason are still of the sex that can produce eggs/bear young, even if they themselves cannot.

@Blossomtoes

Give it up, will you? We all know what female means. We are the humans without male genes, which means we continue to develop along the specific biological pathway that can, under the right conditions and for a limited time, result in the internal gestation of human young. Blokes (males) don’t do that.

No way. Her policies are abhorrent. It speaks volumes that Braverman’s supporters are likely to cluster around her.

We are the humans without male genes

That’s why I mentioned chromosomes. 🤷‍♀️ Words matter. And no @PurpleDaisies, I didn’t misread.

So you just didn’t understand what the word “can” means.

@Blossomtoes

Stop pretending. It’s tedious.

We are a representative liberal democracy. That's how it works.

Thinking about it, maybe it was the “of the sex that can” bit that foxed you.

Not every human female wil produce eggs/bear young but we are all of the one sex that can do that. Males can’t.

Braverman is supporting Liz Truss apparently.

I really really wasn’t expecting a doubling down

nice that MN can still surprise me

Ah, interesting. I read that her supporters were going to Badenoch. Not much to choose between them, though, in terms of dreadful policies, except Badenoch possibly worse.

I have to admit, I’m really confused.

Are you really claiming there's nothing a Prime Minister can do about the cost of Living.

How about

Subsidise transport like they've done in Germany and Spain

Rent control

Price control

Decent wage increases

I think that policy was always about money rather than inclusion. Special school places are very expensive.

@TooManyPJs

Maybe it was. I definitely think there should be more provision of specialist school places for children who can’t cope in mainstream. I also think it should be possible to teach a class of ordinarily capable children (of all abilities), certainly in secondary schools, without intervention tutors, TAs, ‘inclusion units’ etc., and some of what KB would be focusing on is what we used to call inattentiveness and poor behaviour. Not every child who doesn’t succeed at school has additional needs. It shouldn’t be beyond us to identify children who can’t cope, get them the help they need, and raise expectations for the rest.

"I definitely think there should be more provision of specialist school places for children who can’t cope in mainstream."

I would agree with that statement. And I think that too many children with complex needs are pushed into mainstream when specialist provision would be better for them. I see the parents of SN children who are school refusers fighting and failing to get specialist places for their children. There is also a lack of appropriate places for example for autistic children who are unable to cope in mainstream but who are academically able. They aren't catered for at all in special schools (as far as I am aware I am a little out of the loop as my DS is now an adult).

Having said all if that my academically able autistic DS went from strength to strength when he was able to access an autistic spectrum TA in his mainstream school. He went from almost being expelled as he wasn't coping to making friends, enjoying school and going on to get excellent exam results. Mainstream was absolutely the right place for him but he did need that extra support from a TA to get there. He didn't need a 121 but support from her a couple of times a week and some strategies was all he needed.

There is a balance to be had that I agree we don't have quite right but taking funding away from already cash strapped schools isn't the way to do it.

@TooManyPJs

No, I don’t think I would remove the funding before I solved the issues (or had a decent try at resolving the model).

I agree, actually, that some children will do better in X situation and others in Y situation. Of course. The problem is you do have to have a model and a plan, and the amount you can spend on it isn’t infinite. So (as much as it pains me to say it) whatever you go with, even if it works for most kids, won’t work for all of them.

By male genes do you mean XY chromosomes?
If some, but not all of my cells contain XY chromosomes am I a man?

You are not the only one. I think what they are saying is that those who have given birth but have some XY chromosomes are men and women at the same time.