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Kemi Badenoch through to next round

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InTheCanteen · 13/07/2022 17:24

If you have a Conservative MP and want to protect the rights of women and safeguard children please email them TONIGHT and ask them to support Kemi.

Penny Mordaunt still the bookies favourite (and they aren't often wrong) but we need to let everyone know how dangerous it will be for this woman to become PM; I don't believe she has changed her mind for one moment.

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Notmanybroadbeans · 19/07/2022 11:37

Blossomtoes · 19/07/2022 11:30

OK @beastlyslumber. If you think it’s OK for a candidate for PM, regardless of their race or colour, to be endorsed by Britain First I’d respectfully suggest that it’s not me who has a racism problem.

If you really think that Kemi Badenoch had any control over who "endorses" her or, indeed, who doctors fishy-looking "endorsements" that are as yet unsourced and unmentioned in the press, then I'd respectfully suggest you have a paranoia problem.

What are you actually suggesting - that she's a Britain First supporter, or that the two men and a dog running Britain First have outwitted her? Or is it the usual smear tactic of "oh look, here are some bad people who like what you like"?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 19/07/2022 11:37

Blossomtoes · 19/07/2022 11:34

It's got nothing to do with her.

We’ve now reached staggering heights of craziness.

Hang on

you think Kemi Badenoch is in control of Britain First?

that would certainly be a plot twist

MarshaBradyo · 19/07/2022 11:40

Why aren’t pp on left answering straight questions with a straight answer

They are very good posts, well said.

Answering them might cause a re-think away from stereotypes and racism in its own right

Blossomtoes · 19/07/2022 11:43

It’s in the Express @Notmanybroadbeans.

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1642512/britain-first-back-kemi-badenoch-ont

Abhannmor · 19/07/2022 11:48

Blossomtoes · 19/07/2022 10:14

She’s not young, granted. The rest of it’s pretty much spot on.

They're all kiddies when you're my age!

ScrollingLeaves · 19/07/2022 11:48

beastlyslumber - Today 11:11
The left, on the other hand, who I used to think were against racism, seem to have a real serious problem with black and Asian people being in power.

It may be because black/brown people in power are successful and bright and fit a profile of being part of an elite group. They don’t fit the mould of victim.

There are groups of black/brown people who would not have had the same opportunities for success though, just as it is very difficult ( though maybe not as difficult) for working class white people, especially males, to change their circumstances.

Would child Q have been treated the way she was if her teachers and the police hadn’t had racist attitudes? Or, black women have poorer out comes to their health and pregnancies if they were properly listened to ( all be it that white women are not always properly listened to either, but their outcomes seem to be a bit better)?

It seems it would be wrong to say there is no racism even when differentials of class and sex are taken into account.

It would be horrible though if a mangled, ideological critical race theory gets imported here from the U.S. like trans gender ideology was. You already hear language peppered with the word ‘intersectional’ used willy nilly.

Wouldn’t it be likely that, with a black, woman Prime Minister, the U.K. police, doctors, teachers and employers would begin to look at black people differently and with more respect?

NonnyMouse1337 · 19/07/2022 12:03

Blossomtoes · 19/07/2022 11:43

That's the most hilariously bad article I've ever read 😂😂😂😂😂😂

The headline tries to sound scandalous by mentioning Britian First. The sub-heading also tries to sound scandalous but it's pretty much just a rewording of the headline.
Then I scrolled..... And scrolled..... And scrolled...... And scrolled...... There was absolutely nothing else mentioned in the actual article about Britian First. No deeper explanation for why they are backing her. No interview or reaching out for comment by the journalist to ask Britain First or some of their members as to why they would endorse Kemi Badenoch.

The entire article is the same as I've read from other news outlets - all about Kemi Badenoch, her performance in the leadership contest, her endorsement by Gove etc etc etc. So apart from the headlines, absolutely zilch about Britain First. What a piss poor job of trying to tarnish Kemi Badenoch 😂😂😂😂😂😂

beastlyslumber · 19/07/2022 12:07

Blossomtoes · 19/07/2022 11:34

It's got nothing to do with her.

We’ve now reached staggering heights of craziness.

Tell me then: what makes you think that Kemi Badenoch should take responsibility for what Britain First say? Do you think she has some kind of connection or relationship with them?

Also maybe you could see your way to answering some of my other questions while you're at it. Flinging around accusations and insults isn't quite the winning move you seem to think it is. Let's have an actual conversation instead?

beastlyslumber · 19/07/2022 12:11

I mean, if Britain First are urging their members towards a black female PM, maybe they're actually less racist than the leftists who don't want a black female PM because she doesn't think the way they want her to? Just a thought.

Blossomtoes · 19/07/2022 12:15

You’re the one flinging accusations and insults around @beastlyslumber. And you were the one who introduced the issue in the first place. If you want to continue this discussion without me, please feel free.

PurpleDaisies · 19/07/2022 12:17

beastlyslumber · 19/07/2022 12:11

I mean, if Britain First are urging their members towards a black female PM, maybe they're actually less racist than the leftists who don't want a black female PM because she doesn't think the way they want her to? Just a thought.

The ways people will contort themselves to be pro Kemi Badenoch is absolutely unbelievable. Just when I think it can’t get any more bonkers, something like this comes up.

You’re seriously suggesting that leftists who don’t want her as PM hold that view because she is black? Her race is irrelevant to me. It’s her views that are abhorrent.

MarshaBradyo · 19/07/2022 12:19

What a shame. Beastly I thought you raised good questions.

Very calm and definitely not insulting but no answers.

I don’t know why people can’t address where they might be mis-thinking on issues around race.

It could result in a better shift in thought, which is a good thing.

PurpleDaisies · 19/07/2022 12:20

@beastlyslumber do you really think people should be voting for a black female PM without considering whether they agree with the way she thinks? Choosing someone who holds the same basic views and morals is absolutely key for me. Obviously there’s never a perfect fit but that’s the aim.

CrossPurposes · 19/07/2022 12:20

@NonnyMouse1337 I thought the same too but if you look at the desktop version what is obscured by an image is revealed. It's still a pisspoor article with zero substance and credibility. I'd be ashamed to have my name attached to it but then the journalist is working for The Express.

Kemi Badenoch through to next round
Manteiga · 19/07/2022 12:29

Not sure it's true that Britain First are supporting Badenoch.

Couldn't find press release on their website & posts on their gab feed seem to suggest a hoax:

gab.com/BritainFirst/posts/108673073710912135

gab.com/BritainFirst/posts/108670732714699892

NonnyMouse1337 · 19/07/2022 12:31

CrossPurposes · 19/07/2022 12:20

@NonnyMouse1337 I thought the same too but if you look at the desktop version what is obscured by an image is revealed. It's still a pisspoor article with zero substance and credibility. I'd be ashamed to have my name attached to it but then the journalist is working for The Express.

Aha! Thanks for for clarifying that @CrossPurposes !
That does improve the article considerably - but from their comments it sounds like they are pro-Brexit/anti-Remain, small c conservative and don't like the more liberal types in the party so are backing someone they think will implement policies they agree with. I mean, hardly newsworthy - there are plenty of people in the UK with that outlook, whether I agree with them or not. Am I meant to fake outrage at this? 😆

OchreDandelion · 19/07/2022 12:38

Norden · 13/07/2022 17:56

@HalleLouja Could you please provide some sources to back that up?

There are a lot of women wanting to vote for Badenoch instead of Mordaunt because we have seen M's outright lies and we have the evidence to prove it

If we are wrong on Badenoch then so be it. But, evidence please?

She said it in a speech last week

beastlyslumber · 19/07/2022 12:42

PurpleDaisies · 19/07/2022 12:20

@beastlyslumber do you really think people should be voting for a black female PM without considering whether they agree with the way she thinks? Choosing someone who holds the same basic views and morals is absolutely key for me. Obviously there’s never a perfect fit but that’s the aim.

No, of course not. That's nothing like anything I've said here.

achillestoes · 19/07/2022 12:45

It really is nothing to do with her. She doesn’t control who supports her.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 19/07/2022 12:45

I scanned through all @Blossomtoes posts on this thread trying to understand what her objections to Kemi Badenoch are.

The only statements are

a "fantatical ideologue" and she doesn't believe in racism

the second statement was interestingly countered with 'she, in common with a number of other black people, doesn't believe in systematic racism'. @Blossomtoes seemed to ignore this

I'm interested in the fanatical idealogue thing. all the candidates look like nutjobs to me. what's so bad about Kemi? who would your choice be @Blossomtoes ?

beastlyslumber · 19/07/2022 12:46

MarshaBradyo · 19/07/2022 12:19

What a shame. Beastly I thought you raised good questions.

Very calm and definitely not insulting but no answers.

I don’t know why people can’t address where they might be mis-thinking on issues around race.

It could result in a better shift in thought, which is a good thing.

It's a shame that people don't want to have a conversation about it. I believe most people are well-intentioned but for some reason there is a really entrenched idea on the left that black people are only allowed to have left wing views or "they ain't black" or they must be connected to fascist organisations or something. The idea that you could be a black centrist or conservative really seems to blow people's minds!

MarshaBradyo · 19/07/2022 12:47

Manteiga · 19/07/2022 12:29

Not sure it's true that Britain First are supporting Badenoch.

Couldn't find press release on their website & posts on their gab feed seem to suggest a hoax:

gab.com/BritainFirst/posts/108673073710912135

gab.com/BritainFirst/posts/108670732714699892

hmm this points to a hoax, unless it is reasserted somewhere that the press release is legitimate

If it is a hoax the fake news / smear will still pick up speed and be repeated though

Manteiga · 19/07/2022 12:48

The purported press release from Britain First looks a bit suspicious too. Would they really brag about having thousands of "infiltrators" in the Tory party? Perhaps, I don't know.

Blossomtoes · 19/07/2022 12:51

I don’t want any of them @BernardBlacksWineIcelollyI’m with you on the nut job front. If I really had to choose - and whoever said it’s like choosing which portaloo to use on the last day of a festival was spot on - my choice would be Sunak because he’s not promising a catastrophic economic policy.

beastlyslumber · 19/07/2022 12:53

You’re seriously suggesting that leftists who don’t want her as PM hold that view because she is black? Her race is irrelevant to me. It’s her views that are abhorrent.

I think it's interesting that the left's view is that she will "harm diversity". There's even been threads on MN by leftists talking about how they're "not ready" for a black, female PM. So I do think it's a reasonable suggestion, yes.

The ways people will contort themselves to be pro Kemi Badenoch is absolutely unbelievable. Just when I think it can’t get any more bonkers, something like this comes up.

I don't really know what you mean by this. It makes zero difference to me if Britain First support Kemi, because I don't care what they think, and I don't do 'guilt by association'. It's not Kemi's responsibility and it has nothing to do with her. I don't understand why this view is "bonkers" - explain it to me? Why should Kemi have to take responsibility for Britain First?

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