Kemi Badenoch through to next round

[InTheCanteen]

If you have a Conservative MP and want to protect the rights of women and safeguard children please email them TONIGHT and ask them to support Kemi.

Penny Mordaunt still the bookies favourite (and they aren't often wrong) but we need to let everyone know how dangerous it will be for this woman to become PM; I don't believe she has changed her mind for one moment.

If you want to persuade anyone it's relevant to this thread then maybe you should explain which leadership candidate is the equivalent of Oswald Mosley?

And I mean explain, not just a pun about a name.

They are all , without exception , believers in the slash and burn economics of Milton Friedman which has been tested to destruction since 1980 and has brought us to this pass.

Sunak knows its maybe not a great idea to 'rub fat into a pig's arse ' with his Save the Rich tax cuts . Not right now. But as soon as it's feasible. And he is meant to be the sanest one.

They all talk about One Nation when polls look a bit grim. But , in reality , all the moderate Tories have been booted out since 2016. There hasn't been a One Nation Tory MacMillan really.

Or alternatively we could just go back to this post.

Ah sorry, I see we already have😊

I kind of agree on Friedman, but there are decent arguments to be had on Friedman vs Keynes, and although both theories have been variously 'discredited', I'm not sure there is a third way at the moment, is there? The conservatives still tend to pump for Friedman, just as the socialists go for Keynes. Neither is perfect, nor is more discredited than the other I feel.

Sure, Macmillan's one-nation Tory would be great, but those figures don't come along that often. And sadly, there is definitely no one in Labour Party who'd bring the nation together either.

I'm always a little puzzled by the way Moseley and the British Union of Fascists make regular appearances on here. The UK is, and never has been, a fascist state and Fascism was a nasty but peripheral side line in UK politics; unlike say many parts of contemporary Europe.

The BUF did elect a few councillors at local government level during the 1930s but never had members of Parliament.

I suppose I could derail the thread by dragging in the fact there were factions in Scottish separatism who supported Hitler over supporting the UK.

Have you read this thread?

There’s a fair bit of hyperbole around

But then I look at some of the stuff from the left on here and think it’s so off putting

I think it’s just SM and people post extreme things, always the case, it’s an easy way to get a response.

Have you read this thread?

I was referring to the link about Mosely and the attraction to some feminists pre WWII. What relevance is that supposed to have to the current political situation in the UK?

I always wonder whether people are giving their view more on whether they like the person's policies, or whether they think they performed well. Probably both, I guess.

The article is about how some women and suffragettes abandoned their left-wing principles and were drawn to the far-right.

I'd say it is extremely relevant to this thread and FWR in general.

There seems to be support on this thread for leaving the ECHR, because what none of us need is our basic rights safeguarded by a court set up in the aftermath of the second world war.

There seems to be support on this thread for transporting some of the most vulnerable people thousands of miles to a camp in a far flung land with a distinctly dubious take on human rights.

Do you wish me to continue?

“Do you wish me to continue?“

No thank you I think you have made your point sufficiently.

I sincerely doubt any of us here support such policies.

We have a choice of candidates for Conservative party leader. Few of us will have a vote. We are discussing the merits of the 5 candidates regarding integrity, honesty, evidence of understanding reality, knowing that biological sex is real and it matters. There is no need for anyone to start flinging about insults. The Conservative Party are not actually Fascist and discussing who we might or might not want to be leader does not make us fascists either.

Hopefully we can avoid extreme polarisation in the UK and thus avoid any more extreme elements or ideas in either of our main political parties gaining too much traction.

On the other hand, many present day (supposedly) left wing men (along with their brothers of other political hues) seem to associate with misogyny. I thought exploitation was supposed to end. Maybe not for women though. Rather than smashing the brothels, the new stance to take is that 'sex work' and exploiting women's bodies in various ways is what these chappies are pushing.

Hard to spot the difference between a 'good' left wing man and his right wing brothers.

I don't understand how anyone, regardless of their political persuasion, wouldn't be interested in the leadership contest. Whoever wins will walk straight into Number 10 from where they they wield a majority that could yet see them through the next general election. I'm sure Stonewall are taking a very keen interest.

Absolutely all of this. Great post.

Given the current government want to remove our human rights and seem upset that they can't just deport who they like to Rwanda, I fear you may be a bit late on hoping that extreme ideas haven't taken root in at least one of the main political parties.

Hopefully when Kemi is prime minister it will mean an end to all this 'woke' nonsense, a black woman was fired for her belief that marriage should only be between men and women when she stood for election as a London borough mayor.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11020887/Fired-dared-advocate-marriage-man-woman.html

Kemi was right to turn down withdrawing to support Truss

On that she has better political nous than Frost

a black woman was fired for her belief that marriage should only be between men and women when she stood for election as a London borough mayor.

Of course she was. Same sex marriage is a legal reality and homophobia has no place in our society, nobody wants leaders who display it.

It's her protected belief, she shouldn't lose her job as this is what Maya fought for.

Agreed.

This is a woman who wants to abandon Net Zero, housebuilding targets (because people don't like new houses being built, apparently), "superfluous support staff and activites" in schools, thinks the housing crisis is down to couples getting divorced and has absolutely no experience of government at a senior level.

I'm GC but I'm thinking of displaying a Pride flag outside my house and joining Stonewall now! How can anyone think that all the above doesn't matter because she'll guarantee single sex toilets?

I want to abandon net zero too.

I think the idea of reducing support staff in schools is not a good one.

I'm sure there are other things I agree/disagree on. We're not going to get a PM who everyone agrees with on everything. But I really, really want a PM who is going to fight back against wokery and defend women's rights. I think that's Kemi.