Kemi Badenoch through to next round

[InTheCanteen]

If you have a Conservative MP and want to protect the rights of women and safeguard children please email them TONIGHT and ask them to support Kemi.

Penny Mordaunt still the bookies favourite (and they aren't often wrong) but we need to let everyone know how dangerous it will be for this woman to become PM; I don't believe she has changed her mind for one moment.

I think the pp is on a huge wind up for whatever reason, but yes to your explanation

Can we not ignore posters like on some forums, or mute them?

I think we’ll face years of austerity if Sunak becomes PM.
He has to get his billions back from furlough somehow.

He has done next to noting about the fuel crisis ( he took a whole 5 p a litre off) and is going to give some money away to pensioners and people on UC. Yes I agree that’s right, but what about the working people who are struggling and don’t qualify for any UC or benefits.

He's done nothing to combat the energy companies, some of them were even bailed out by the tax payers

And Liz Truss changes her position like the wind.

@LK1972

I know I shouldn’t either but this pseudo-science bollocks makes my teeth itch.

@LK1972 I agree with your definition it was specifically “and not a trace” that I was objecting to as potentially undermining that definition.

@Faffertea I agree that exceptions to a rule don’t mean the rule no longer applies, or is even ambiguous.

Sorry to have been side tracked by a visitor, but I feel it was important not to have a spurious definition credited to our argument.

I am a scientist who has SRY/AmelX genotyped humans for understanding reproductive issues. I know what a woman is. There is nothing unclear about it.

I'm not surprised, I have a similar reaction and I'm not even in medicine.

It's funny how everyone knew what a female was till some men decided they're actually female. Now nobody can work out what male and female means, apparently.

But back to Kemi, don't think she's ready for the big job just yet, she needs more experience beyond being a junior minister, albeit an excellent one. She's very capable though, and may well be a future contender, she's only 40.

Sorry if I was curt, didn't mean to. Never suggested 'no traces' - the visitor was putting words in my mouth, so was miffed.

Your job sounds fascinating

Is there a fixed proportion of cells in a body that can be XY before the person becomes XY?

Oh, you're here @jgw1, have you got your definition ready?

I can't find that part of the interview online achillestoes - did she say it nice and loudly, and did Beth Rigby take it any further - which spaces?

Didn't we agree a definition earlier today, why do we need a new one?

@jgw1 you seem to think you're the one asking questions here, not sure why. Your snark is boring

Beth Rigby is getting hammered on Twitter for asking such a "trivial question " . You are right, though. It's the follow up question needed about single sex spaces. And challenging her on her statement to Parliament. Which is on Hansard - the official Record" and not, as one knobhead said "gutter gossip "

I guess I was mistaken that on this very thread a definition of woman had been agreed. Too bad, can't have been as simple a question as I thought it was.

Well you’re who we need on this board rather than endless goading

To quote a PP, @jgw1 here's your definition: 'Once again for the hard of thinking. Female=XX, X0, XXX etc chromasomally and generally leading to that person developing ova, uterus and once through puberty periods and potential to gestate young should they so chose.'

Your turn.

Well it is a little different to the definition you put forward earlier, but we can work with this one. The etc. worries me a little, leaves a bit to interpretation, but as before I am quite happy with the definition.

All I was seeking to do was to understand what so and so knows what a woman is actually meant, and until the definition changes I do. Thank you for your kind help in this matter.

I'd also point out that Conservativism involves several factions over it's history.

When people talk about libertarian capitalism, yes there is that group, but that is an adoption of economic liberalism under that banner.. It's not really conservative. And it pretty much paralells the adoption of social libertarianism under the leftist banner (as well as a certain amount of an economic liberalism, pro-globalist viewpoint.)

Traditional conservatism was pretty clear that economic classes were interdependent and obligations went in both directions. There was a moral obligation for the rich to provide jobs that would support a family and be responsible for the well being of their employees.

You don't find many people that even operate in that space any more, either they take the libertarian view that the purpose of business is to make money and that includes by shipping jobs overseas or mechanizing or paying as little as possible, and people need to try and get out of those crap jobs if they don't like it: or the purpose of business is still to make as much as possible and it's the job of the state to make up for the effects of jobs moving to China and mechanization and crap pay through state supports.

But my grandmother, for instance, was of that older political class, so it's not that far in the past.

@EmileFord

There was a discussion of refuges, and Mordant gave as an example the fact that, in Scotland, they are intending to disallow any exclusion of transwomen at all, and she doesn’t agree with that.

@MangyInseam

That makes sense. Tugendhat probably falls into that bracket more than the economic liberalism one.

Kemi is the last person any parent should support. She has said schools.should save money by getting rid of 'superfluos' support staff (as if schools can even afford to employ the number of staff they need) and unnecessary activities! She also wants to scrap the online safety Bill.
She is extremely right wing and I dread her becoming Prime Minister

But apparently she knows what a woman is, so that's alright.
What is not clear to me is whether she knows this through similar lived experiences to Boris or not.

I think it is often a mistake for the candidates who won't win to pull out too early, because they can be really important in terms of the shape the debate/discussion among the candidates takes.