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LGB Alliance

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JanieAllen · 12/07/2022 12:48

Just a heads up the LGB Alliance are allotmenteering as Mermaids is challenging their charitable status. They need about 140 000 carrots, parsnips, beetroot, chard etc to fight this.

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Helleofabore · 13/07/2022 19:20

Oh? Shall we post our links about Peter Tatchell then? He is always being used as a Stonewall spokesperson. And hearache seems to be unable to acknowledge anything negative about Stonewall while monstering and demonising LGB Alliance.

Do you fully support Peter Tatchell hearache? Want to start defending the things Tatchell has said and done?

Conflictedunicorn · 13/07/2022 19:25

Oh let’s! Starting with his support of PIE , his letter rotating not all sexual contact with children was harmful to children , giving an example of a child he knew who had had a relationship with an adult from 9 but ‘suffered no trauma’. I see @Hearach15 is also a big believer in using the word ‘cis’ a term coined by the pedophile apologist volkmar sigusch.

Hearach15 · 14/07/2022 00:18

Helleofabore · 13/07/2022 19:16

Do you ever bother to actually do any research for your from the hip answers ? Do you ever put any thought into them?

The question was ‘Did you find a list of achievements for Stonewall from the first few years after they were formed?’

Stonewall formed in 1989. You’re right. Let me be very specific. Not that you are.

Did you find a list of achievements for Stonewall from the first few years after they were formed? Ie. What were their achievements from 1989 to 1992?

The reason I do this hearache is because you have repeatedly gleefully (and I use that word deliberately to convey the tone of your posts in this regard) that LGB Alliance has not achieved anything yet. I have asked you on now on at least two threads what Stonewall achieved in the same time so we have some like for like comparison .*

You posed an answer of ‘age of consent’. Did you even bother to check the date when this occurred.

From Stonewall: In 1994, the age of consent for men who have sex with men was reduced to 18 – a compromise Stonewall would continue to challenge until an equal age of consent was finally secured in 2001.

www.stonewall.org.uk/our-work/campaigns/love-wins-age-consent-equalised-gay-and-bi-men

So. 5 years, give or take a few months. To the first lowering of age action. Then fully achieved after 12 years.

And you are here, repeatedly denouncing the achievements that LGB Alliance has been part of since inception. And you casually state they have achieved ‘nothing’ yet after they were formed in September 2019. So nearly 3 years ago, through a pandemic with restrictions in place for much of two years of that time. And since that time have probably faced as much hostility to their existence as Stonewall did for that time too.

Would you like to try to answer it again?

Because we will persist in asking you this every single time you post that LGB Alliance has achieved nothing. Because so far, your claim seems to lack any credibility.

Although, I am sure it is a great Twitterbite. Extreme activists do seem to like to post that claim all over twitter. I am sure you are beginning to understand that single sentences and quips don’t stand up to scrutiny here.

*note : I understand it was a different political climate and other differences. However, I am not the one gleefully denouncing a new organization on these threads. I also completely understand that it achievements usually take time to start coming through as they take years of effort to achieve. Again, I am not the person seeking to make dishonest claims about LGB Alliance and their achievements so far.

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"Because we will persist in asking you this every single time you post that LGB Alliance has achieved nothing. Because so far, your claim seems to lack any credibility."

And it won't ever achieve anything for LGB people because it not interesting in doing so.

I would add, Helleofabore, as you've previously said you don't know much about LGBT issues, it is a bit strange that you keep commenting on threads pertaining to us. I, for example, do not comment on threads about nuclear physics or 90s pop bands because similarly I know nothing much about them.

Hearach15 · 14/07/2022 00:23

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Helleofabore · 14/07/2022 00:37

Hearach15 · 14/07/2022 00:18

"Because we will persist in asking you this every single time you post that LGB Alliance has achieved nothing. Because so far, your claim seems to lack any credibility."

And it won't ever achieve anything for LGB people because it not interesting in doing so.

I would add, Helleofabore, as you've previously said you don't know much about LGBT issues, it is a bit strange that you keep commenting on threads pertaining to us. I, for example, do not comment on threads about nuclear physics or 90s pop bands because similarly I know nothing much about them.

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How weird that you keep trying to control who posts what on a public feminism board?

You don’t seem to understand the hypocrisy of your doing so.

But please do crack on in your attempts to distract from the fact you are here on a feminism board demonising a group with no actual evidence to support your claims.

Helleofabore · 14/07/2022 00:54

Hearach15 · 14/07/2022 00:18

"Because we will persist in asking you this every single time you post that LGB Alliance has achieved nothing. Because so far, your claim seems to lack any credibility."

And it won't ever achieve anything for LGB people because it not interesting in doing so.

I would add, Helleofabore, as you've previously said you don't know much about LGBT issues, it is a bit strange that you keep commenting on threads pertaining to us. I, for example, do not comment on threads about nuclear physics or 90s pop bands because similarly I know nothing much about them.

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So, apart from trying to hypocritically control who posts what on the feminism board, you have nothing else?

Nothing

Just a weak attempt to double down for the nth time with an empty assurance to yourself.

How unsurprising.

ZombieMumEB · 14/07/2022 02:18

Thanks for starting this thread.

The only reason why Mermaids is challenging their charitable status, is because they feel threatened :-

Threatened that the "T" isn't being centered; and

Threatened that the LGB Alliance will channel funding away from Mermaids.

I know who I'd rather support.

Helleofabore · 14/07/2022 02:59

I would add, Helleofabore, as you've previously said you don't know much about LGBT issues, it is a bit strange that you keep commenting on threads pertaining to us

So, I understand hearache that you are a female who has then worked / studied / fought / brought up daughters to be / or any other feminist activity or have suffered oppression and negative sexist discrimination due to being female, to be commenting so good freely here on a feminist board discussing the implications of the impact on the rights and protections for all females and their sexed bodies with the conflicts of males who seek to access those rights and protections.

To be very clear, this is NOT the LGBT+ board.

I await your confirmation. Because I believe that you may not fit any of that description, yet seek to control who comments on this board.

Please note, that I don’t seek to control who posts here. You are most welcome to post here if you stay within the same guidelines that apply to us.

I do make comment when posts are not well supported by evidence, are factually wrong, or will point out when posters may not be posting in good faith and may be posting to shame, denigrate or silence female’s voices.

But I generally seek to engage to further my understanding of people’s arguments. Can you say the same thing about your own intentions here on this board?

And I also point out you have previously made dismissive comments about young female transitioners by attempting to diminish their unique needs on threads where people who have these young transitioners in their daily life as loved ones and boy once acknowledged you have very little knowledge or experience with that group.

It did not stop you at all from posting and attempting to shame posters who have a depth of knowledge and experience you simply do not have. These are our loved ones.

So, do crack on with your attempts to control who posts where. It is certainly a diverting tactic we have never seen before… (sarcasm).

Conflictedunicorn · 14/07/2022 03:04

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@Hearach15 you are the one smearing LGBA with vile slurs, and saying stonewall can do no wrong. Iamjust pointing out that stonewall are not as pure as you claim. Have you addresses .Nancy Kelly’s homophobia yet?

Helleofabore · 14/07/2022 03:31

sorry.

That should be

And I also point out you have previously made dismissive comments about young female transitioners by attempting to diminish their unique needs on threads where people who have these young transitioners in their daily life as loved ones have posted, and not once acknowledged you have very little knowledge or experience with that group.

Apologies.

But still, yes. You could not even understand that you had little knowledge about this group and doubled down on telling us all how you have more knowledge / experience than other posters about this group… because according to you they are exactly like all other trans groups.

Helleofabore · 14/07/2022 07:16

Bringing up paedophiles in a debate on LGBT rights, so classy. This is a smear almost as old as "the Jews killed Christ".

Is hearache calling Peter Tatchell a paedophile or is hearache not wanting to acknowledge the repercussions either Tatchell or sigusch‘s views?

Either way, calling women ‘bigoted’ for bringing the views of these males to the discussion so that people can have a greater understanding of the roots of this movement and Stonewall’s spokesperson’s background smacks on pure desperation.

Nothing to see here you [insert derogatory term]!

Are you trying to deny their interests or trying to say they are acceptable, or trying to say they don’t matter hearache?

And I’d suggest laying off throwing ‘bigot’ around while you are desperately trying to distract people from looking these people up and their significance.

Hearach15 · 14/07/2022 09:11

Helleofabore · 14/07/2022 07:16

Bringing up paedophiles in a debate on LGBT rights, so classy. This is a smear almost as old as "the Jews killed Christ".

Is hearache calling Peter Tatchell a paedophile or is hearache not wanting to acknowledge the repercussions either Tatchell or sigusch‘s views?

Either way, calling women ‘bigoted’ for bringing the views of these males to the discussion so that people can have a greater understanding of the roots of this movement and Stonewall’s spokesperson’s background smacks on pure desperation.

Nothing to see here you [insert derogatory term]!

Are you trying to deny their interests or trying to say they are acceptable, or trying to say they don’t matter hearache?

And I’d suggest laying off throwing ‘bigot’ around while you are desperately trying to distract people from looking these people up and their significance.

I don't know what Peter Tatchell's view are and I have no interest in finding out. All I know is homophobes always bring up paedophiles when LGBT rights are discussed and it's absolutely no surprise to me that this has been done by LGBA supporters.

Hearach15 · 14/07/2022 09:14

Helleofabore · 14/07/2022 00:37

How weird that you keep trying to control who posts what on a public feminism board?

You don’t seem to understand the hypocrisy of your doing so.

But please do crack on in your attempts to distract from the fact you are here on a feminism board demonising a group with no actual evidence to support your claims.

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I'm not trying to control who posts, you're free to do as you please. I'm just saying that you've previously said you know nothing about this issue and yet keep posting about it. It's very strange.

Hearach15 · 14/07/2022 09:17

Helleofabore · 14/07/2022 02:59

I would add, Helleofabore, as you've previously said you don't know much about LGBT issues, it is a bit strange that you keep commenting on threads pertaining to us

So, I understand hearache that you are a female who has then worked / studied / fought / brought up daughters to be / or any other feminist activity or have suffered oppression and negative sexist discrimination due to being female, to be commenting so good freely here on a feminist board discussing the implications of the impact on the rights and protections for all females and their sexed bodies with the conflicts of males who seek to access those rights and protections.

To be very clear, this is NOT the LGBT+ board.

I await your confirmation. Because I believe that you may not fit any of that description, yet seek to control who comments on this board.

Please note, that I don’t seek to control who posts here. You are most welcome to post here if you stay within the same guidelines that apply to us.

I do make comment when posts are not well supported by evidence, are factually wrong, or will point out when posters may not be posting in good faith and may be posting to shame, denigrate or silence female’s voices.

But I generally seek to engage to further my understanding of people’s arguments. Can you say the same thing about your own intentions here on this board?

And I also point out you have previously made dismissive comments about young female transitioners by attempting to diminish their unique needs on threads where people who have these young transitioners in their daily life as loved ones and boy once acknowledged you have very little knowledge or experience with that group.

It did not stop you at all from posting and attempting to shame posters who have a depth of knowledge and experience you simply do not have. These are our loved ones.

So, do crack on with your attempts to control who posts where. It is certainly a diverting tactic we have never seen before… (sarcasm).

"To be very clear, this is NOT the LGBT+ board." - This is literally a thread about the LGB Alliance but perhaps it is revealing that you think they are nothing to do you LGB issues.

"I do make comment when posts are not well supported by evidence" - do I not recall you saying Baroness Nicholson was not a homophobe despite an extensive voting record that opposed LGB rights?

Helleofabore · 14/07/2022 09:21

I suggest you actually go and find out about Peter Tatchell’s own written work.

Is he or isn’t he a spokesperson for Stonewall?

Do you agree that a nine year old who has been sexually abused by an adult could be said to be not sexually abused and actually benefit from the experience?

Because this is just one thing that Tatchell has said (my paraphrasing).

So my question again.

Are you trying to deny their interests or trying to say they are acceptable, or trying to say they don’t matter hearache?

simply putting your fingers in your ears saying nah! Nah! Nah! [detogatory slur] nah! Nah! Not listening, is not working for you here.

Hearach15 · 14/07/2022 09:22

Helleofabore · 14/07/2022 07:16

Bringing up paedophiles in a debate on LGBT rights, so classy. This is a smear almost as old as "the Jews killed Christ".

Is hearache calling Peter Tatchell a paedophile or is hearache not wanting to acknowledge the repercussions either Tatchell or sigusch‘s views?

Either way, calling women ‘bigoted’ for bringing the views of these males to the discussion so that people can have a greater understanding of the roots of this movement and Stonewall’s spokesperson’s background smacks on pure desperation.

Nothing to see here you [insert derogatory term]!

Are you trying to deny their interests or trying to say they are acceptable, or trying to say they don’t matter hearache?

And I’d suggest laying off throwing ‘bigot’ around while you are desperately trying to distract people from looking these people up and their significance.

"Either way, calling women ‘bigoted’ for bringing the views of these males to the discussion". I think the only person I've called a bigot on this website is Baroness Nicholson who thinks gay marriage "degrades" women, wants LGB people having consensual sex with 20 year olds to be thrown in jail and has referred to a black person as a "creature". A bigot for sure.

If you think any of the above is acceptable I think you need to have a long hard look in the mirror.

(Oh AND Jackie Doyle Price who voted against gay marriage and now poses as a champion of LGB rights at the LGB Alliance conference. Truly, an organisation that has done nothing for our community).

Hearach15 · 14/07/2022 09:25

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ScrollingLeaves · 14/07/2022 09:43

@Hearach15
I don't know what Peter Tatchell's view are and I have no interest in finding out. All I know is homophobes always bring up paedophiles when LGBT rights are discussed and it's absolutely no surprise to me that this has been done by LGBA supporters.

Given the position of influence PT had, it might be a good idea for you to look him up. It would be a strange thing not to.

Are you saying that it doesn’t matter if someone with a paedophile agenda is given a job with influence? That no one is allowed to complain because that could be seen as an attack on all homosexuals?

That would be like the police in the cases of girls in care being raped by a network of Muslim men not wanting to intervene for fear of being racist.

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This thread is about supporting the LGBA.

Aren’t the LGBA LGB people?
How do you think it is possible that all the people on here sending money many may not easily afford because they hate lesbian and gay people - are homophobes as you say.

‘All I know is that people always’
OK List the all the threads where all the posts of people on here are accusing gay men of paedophilia, or are doing so for no reason other than to attack alll gay men

Roseglen84 · 14/07/2022 09:52

Why are people continuing to poke the bear?

Anyway, in honour of the cave dweller among us, I have again donated to the LGB Alliance fund - I recommend others do the same. It feels great!

Helleofabore · 14/07/2022 10:03

Hearach15 · 14/07/2022 09:22

"Either way, calling women ‘bigoted’ for bringing the views of these males to the discussion". I think the only person I've called a bigot on this website is Baroness Nicholson who thinks gay marriage "degrades" women, wants LGB people having consensual sex with 20 year olds to be thrown in jail and has referred to a black person as a "creature". A bigot for sure.

If you think any of the above is acceptable I think you need to have a long hard look in the mirror.

(Oh AND Jackie Doyle Price who voted against gay marriage and now poses as a champion of LGB rights at the LGB Alliance conference. Truly, an organisation that has done nothing for our community).

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Your latest posts are merely distraction from prominent Stonewall spokespeople. You are avoiding Peter Tatchell’s words, just as you avoided acknowledging Nancy Kelley’s.

You are trying to avoid the issues by diverting attention away from your lack of answers.

it is very obvious to all that you seem to have nothing new to post and simply are stuck in a double down loop.

And again, I would be very careful in continuing to throw around the word bigot. Maybe you should look up the meaning.

Helleofabore · 14/07/2022 10:18

Hearach15 · 14/07/2022 09:17

"To be very clear, this is NOT the LGBT+ board." - This is literally a thread about the LGB Alliance but perhaps it is revealing that you think they are nothing to do you LGB issues.

"I do make comment when posts are not well supported by evidence" - do I not recall you saying Baroness Nicholson was not a homophobe despite an extensive voting record that opposed LGB rights?

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And again you have conveniently avoided the fact you are here posting on a feminist board and you are indeed, despite your attempts to hand wave it away, continuing to control who posts here and what they post.

Shall I point out to you again how strong laws are made in a Westminster system? I think that would be the third time.

You do not vote for a bill to be passed if you are not fully happy with it. That would be poor lawmaking. Is that what you want our Parliamentary representatives to do? Just vote through laws in case they get called haters in the future?

Yes. She found the wording of the law presented at the time potentially problematic for women and children. This is a woman who has a long history of working to make laws at EU level.

But please do show how she was completely wrong in her concerns. Please find the wording of the law that she voted down and please explain how that wording would have absolutely no negative impact st the time to women and children.

No, I don’t find her a homophobe based on her voting record. We have discussed this more than once.

You seem to have very simplistic and polarised thinking and cannot get past thinking in ‘us and them’ mode. Or that is a tactic that you think will change readers views as they read these threads?

Helleofabore · 14/07/2022 10:29

To be very clear, this is NOT the LGBT+ board." - This is literally a thread about the LGB Alliance but perhaps it is revealing that you think they are nothing to do you LGB issues

How absurd.

No matter how you try to frame it, YOU are trying to control who posts what on this board.

YOU are also continuing to ignore the very hypocrisy of you doing this on a feminist board.

A feminist board.

ScrollingLeaves · 14/07/2022 10:33

Re: The LGB Alliance
Our Fight For Survival. Tribunal Hearing 9 to 16 Sep 2022

Have just planted some spinach.
The LGBA should not be being put through this.

roarfeckingroarr · 14/07/2022 11:27

Mermaids are spending a lot on this. If you Google LGB alliance, the appeal against their status is first thing. I see the fox basher is helping the child mutilators.

ScrollingLeaves · 14/07/2022 11:34

How much will the LGBA need?