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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

LGB Alliance

176 replies

JanieAllen · 12/07/2022 12:48

Just a heads up the LGB Alliance are allotmenteering as Mermaids is challenging their charitable status. They need about 140 000 carrots, parsnips, beetroot, chard etc to fight this.

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DorotheaDiamond · 13/07/2022 07:12

Could I have a map to the allotment please?

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 13/07/2022 07:18

I'd appreciate a map to the allotment in my inbox, if anyone has a chance.

Shortpoet · 13/07/2022 07:35

Btw if you shop on Amazon, you can set the LGBA as your preferred charity in Amazon smile. It’s probably only a few pence per transaction but it could add up.

AnuSTart · 13/07/2022 07:42

Nice @Shortpoet thanks! Mine is currently women helping women but it's worth a change!

Anyone got an allotment map by any chance? Thanks!

Rheia1983 · 13/07/2022 08:06

Did some digging for LGBA.

JanieAllen · 13/07/2022 10:32

thank you for all who have dug for LGB Alliance - the crowdfunder is growing well

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Hearach15 · 13/07/2022 10:39

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 12/07/2022 22:24

Please tell us more, Hearach. What exactly do Mermaids or Stonewall do for gay children, other than encourage them to think they are somehow in the wrong body? That doesn't seem like a helpful thing to tell a child, or any other vulnerable person. But perhaps you can explain it better?

"Today, we offer CPD accredited online training as well as membership programmes for schools and colleges in the UK. Alongside this, staff can benefit from our extensive resources and our consultancy services, as well as tailored options for Multi-Academy Trusts."

www.stonewall.org.uk/schools-colleges

Stonewall make sure LGBT kids don't get bullied in school for being who they are. They are an actual charity. The LGB Alliance do nothing except complain about trans people.

BordoisAgain · 13/07/2022 10:49

We heard you the first time Hearach15 🙄

Helleofabore · 13/07/2022 10:55

Did you find a list of achievements for Stonewall from the first few years after they were formed?

To compare like for like?

Or will this thread simply be like the others and no evidence produced?

Conflictedunicorn · 13/07/2022 12:38

Stonewall make sure LGBT kids don't get bullied in school for being who they are.

Well unless they’re a young lesbian who refuses to date transwomen right?

partystress · 13/07/2022 12:52

Having a busy month on the allotment but looking forward to a bumper harvest.

JanieAllen · 13/07/2022 13:11

Stonewall do nothing to support gender non conforming children instead they push them onto a trans conveyor belt. Lets not forget that Stonewall also had a policy to remove the Equality Act 2010.

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JanieAllen · 13/07/2022 13:13

veg patch has increased by 24 thousand veg in 3 days make tindeaf posters more mad by increasing this fig by digging deep in the allotment

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SidewaysOtter · 13/07/2022 13:27

That's today's gardening efforts complete then. It might not be much but hopefully it will help keep the weeds away.

Hearach15 · 13/07/2022 13:44

Helleofabore · 13/07/2022 10:55

Did you find a list of achievements for Stonewall from the first few years after they were formed?

To compare like for like?

Or will this thread simply be like the others and no evidence produced?

How about getting the age of consent reduced?

I notice your pal Baroness Nicholson voted against it because she thinks consenting adults who have sex with a 20 year old should be criminalised if they're LGB...

JustAnotherViper · 13/07/2022 14:04

Hearach15 · 13/07/2022 13:44

How about getting the age of consent reduced?

I notice your pal Baroness Nicholson voted against it because she thinks consenting adults who have sex with a 20 year old should be criminalised if they're LGB...

I don’t think that’s an achievement. Frankly I’d like to see the age of consent raised to 18 for all with caveats to cover 16-20 year olds who are dating someone a year or perhaps 2 younger.

mcduffy · 13/07/2022 14:28

It feels like a monumental ask. What happens if the stretch target isn't reached?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 13/07/2022 14:33

its great to see this being bumped

heal discussion, very helpful

the opposite of no debate

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 13/07/2022 14:37

From the crowdfunder:

Mermaids says that LGB Alliance, the only UK charity working exclusively for lesbians, gay men and bisexuals, should not have been given charitable status

what the actual fuck has it got to do with Mermaids?

bunch of controlling odd bods

Hearach15 · 13/07/2022 14:41

JustAnotherViper · 13/07/2022 14:04

I don’t think that’s an achievement. Frankly I’d like to see the age of consent raised to 18 for all with caveats to cover 16-20 year olds who are dating someone a year or perhaps 2 younger.

Perfectly reasonable to want the age of consent raised to 18.

What is not reasonable is to want one age for homosexual sex and another for heterosexual sex.

It's also not reasonable to want LGBT people to be criminalised for having consensual sex with 20 year old when heterosexuals could (quite rightly) do that without fear of punishment.

EmileFord · 13/07/2022 15:31

Does anyone know if the Charity Commission is a co-respondent (or whatever the correct term is) in this action?

LaughingPriest · 13/07/2022 15:57

What is not reasonable is to want one age for homosexual sex and another for heterosexual sex.

I think there is potentially an argument that sex that can result in a pregnancy should have a higher age of consent, but it's not an argument I can see having much sway.

(I have no idea whether you can define that as homosexual or heterosexual either! But if you ask for any definitions you get accused of being obsessed with labels, so I guess we just have to continue not being entirely sure what one another means)

JanieAllen · 13/07/2022 16:08

3000 more veg this afternoon

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Conflictedunicorn · 13/07/2022 16:09

Hearach15 · 13/07/2022 13:44

How about getting the age of consent reduced?

I notice your pal Baroness Nicholson voted against it because she thinks consenting adults who have sex with a 20 year old should be criminalised if they're LGB...

Abd Peter tatchell one of the founders of stonewall wanted it reduced to 9. Are you really sure you want to discuss the age of consent and who wanted it reduced?

Helleofabore · 13/07/2022 19:16

Hearach15 · 13/07/2022 13:44

How about getting the age of consent reduced?

I notice your pal Baroness Nicholson voted against it because she thinks consenting adults who have sex with a 20 year old should be criminalised if they're LGB...

Do you ever bother to actually do any research for your from the hip answers ? Do you ever put any thought into them?

The question was ‘Did you find a list of achievements for Stonewall from the first few years after they were formed?’

Stonewall formed in 1989. You’re right. Let me be very specific. Not that you are.

Did you find a list of achievements for Stonewall from the first few years after they were formed? Ie. What were their achievements from 1989 to 1992?

The reason I do this hearache is because you have repeatedly gleefully (and I use that word deliberately to convey the tone of your posts in this regard) that LGB Alliance has not achieved anything yet. I have asked you on now on at least two threads what Stonewall achieved in the same time so we have some like for like comparison .*

You posed an answer of ‘age of consent’. Did you even bother to check the date when this occurred.

From Stonewall: In 1994, the age of consent for men who have sex with men was reduced to 18 – a compromise Stonewall would continue to challenge until an equal age of consent was finally secured in 2001.

www.stonewall.org.uk/our-work/campaigns/love-wins-age-consent-equalised-gay-and-bi-men

So. 5 years, give or take a few months. To the first lowering of age action. Then fully achieved after 12 years.

And you are here, repeatedly denouncing the achievements that LGB Alliance has been part of since inception. And you casually state they have achieved ‘nothing’ yet after they were formed in September 2019. So nearly 3 years ago, through a pandemic with restrictions in place for much of two years of that time. And since that time have probably faced as much hostility to their existence as Stonewall did for that time too.

Would you like to try to answer it again?

Because we will persist in asking you this every single time you post that LGB Alliance has achieved nothing. Because so far, your claim seems to lack any credibility.

Although, I am sure it is a great Twitterbite. Extreme activists do seem to like to post that claim all over twitter. I am sure you are beginning to understand that single sentences and quips don’t stand up to scrutiny here.

*note : I understand it was a different political climate and other differences. However, I am not the one gleefully denouncing a new organization on these threads. I also completely understand that it achievements usually take time to start coming through as they take years of effort to achieve. Again, I am not the person seeking to make dishonest claims about LGB Alliance and their achievements so far.