And this is exactly why Posie Parker is a liability

[MerchedBeca]

Yes, she's charismatic, has style and says things out loud we all wish we'd had the ovaries to say.

But sometimes, the shit she says is fucking dangerous. HOW can she say she's standing for women's rights and then blithely say that our access to abortion is a price worth paying? WTFucking hell?

This isn't about elites, or head girls or any of that shit that Posie chucks at women who disagree with her. We're seeing the biggest pushback on women's rights since before women's lib, we need to build a grass roots movement to fight this, urgently, and Posie's tactics are harming us.

So, this morning someone called Billy Bragg out on his stance on women's rights, and he came back directly with a screenshot of Posie taking shit about Roe vs Wade.

We are NEVER going to convince the left wing that this is an issue they need to get to grips with if the loudest voice they hear on this Posie who's very obviously courting the US religious right, and if every time someone tries to have a conversation with the left about this topic, we're all smeared by association with Posie and whatever shit she's said recently. I know she says she's not a feminist but that detail is lost our detractors. She's a gift to those who want to paint us all as ultra right wing bigots, and this matters.

It's not so much caring what men like Bragg think, who hasn't got the first clue, it's what you, yourself thinks. Keep ignoring the red flags if you can but accept that others won't or can't.

Ideally I'd love to see women to stop going along with Posie's mudslinging about "head girls" and other such insults, and be more critical of what she says and does and challenge her when she hand waves away our rights.

I'm no happier to see a beardy man wave away my right to single sex spaces than I am to see Posie wave away my right to an abortion.

I'd like women to notice when Posie is courting the US religious right or the far right in the UK, recognise why this is a huge fucking issue, and and call her out on it.

I wish women here agreed that feminism isn't a single issue topic and we should be wary of anyone inside or outside our movement who tells us to put aside core issues because others are "more important". I think there is huge danger here and I wish other women could see it too.

I wish women closer to her than me (i.e. not at all!) would have a word with her about how damaging some of her more outrageous statements are and get her to realise how cosying up to the ultra right wing is counter productive.

I doubt this thread will achieve any of that.

Realistically, perhaps the most I can hope for is to lodge my objection to her tactics and hope that others who have a feeling something is up but can't quite put their finger on it will know they're not alone.

Plus I hope the video I posted it thought provoking.

I used to be a big Posie fan, btw. It took me a couple of years to get to this point.

Yes! Be more Posie

I'd like women to notice when Posie is courting the US religious right or the far right in the UK, recognise why this is a huge fucking issue, and and call her out on it.
Yes absolutely this and same

What I think is important is changing the opinions of those with power, and raising awareness generally. So it does matter what others think.

Sadly I'm not someone with any real power in this country, so only worrying what I think is a bit of a dead end, really, campaign-wise.

What @Thelnebriati said above. But also "the people who follow PP" are those who work in women's refuges and shelters, those who campaign and raise awareness of the exploitation of women through surrogacy, those who stand in House of Lords and organise debates and write letters of influence to organisations and politicians. They are also ordinary members of the public, people who sticker, people who really have conversations in public on this issue. These people are fearless, they are not frightened of speaking. Remember that time when we were able to use words in public and not be scared? Many who do support PP.

Been here 15 years, mate.

‘I'm no happier to see a beardy man wave away my right to single sex spaces than I am to see Posie wave away my right to an abortion.’

She can’t wave away your right to an abortion. She is allowed to say what she thinks, though.

‘I'd like women to notice when Posie is courting the US religious right or the far right in the UK, recognise why this is a huge fucking issue, and and call her out on it.’

I notice. It’s not up to me what she does, and I think there’s been more than enough “calling people out” to last us into the next century.

Why don’t you speak directly to Kellie then - at one of her events, email, Facebook - and discuss your concerns?

Yet here you are on a public forum slinging insults without allowing Kellie to respond. Utterly pathetic!

i would like to call OP out for “aligning herself” with Bully Bragg. Go and sit in the corner, OP, and think about what you’ve done.

She supports conservative values, the traditional family, patriarchy and defined gender roles. She’s definitely not my cup of tea and her flirtation with the far right means that I am not comfortable to come out as GC and I know several people who feel the same. I don’t think she helps the cause at all.

You can't help yourself can you?

Yes, PP is great at PR.

Her poster campaign was brilliant. Her interview with Harrop was truly inspired.

Posie's straight talking is refreshing. I don't doubt it inspires people, I know it did me when I first came across her.

I don't deny any of that.

I'm talking specifically about her dodgy politics. They're a huge disappointment and I think stand to damage the movement.

Given that you're so concerned about mudslinging, op, just a heads up that I have seen feminists whom I normally admire describe Posie Parker as (from memory):
'A thick feck', 'A piece of shit.' 'Nazi Barbie' and 'The T shirt flogger.'
(Admittedly the last one made me laugh, although probably not in the way the writer intended.)
Can we look forward to seeing you starting a thread about them too?

She’s definitely not my cup of tea and her flirtation with the far right means that I am not comfortable to come out as GC

The username makes this contribution extra silly.🤪

She long ago blocked me on Facebook for disagreeing with her.
Do you really think she'd be open to me discussing this with her?

And anyway, she's a public figure and we're discussing her politics relating to women's rights. That's absolutely appropriate on the FWR board.

@MerchedBeca

“What has Posie accomplished, exactly?”

What about you? What have you achieved?

Is it something significant, or do you just want to criticize others while doing nothing yourself?

@MangyInseam - you comments about Roe are incorrect. Not sure why you're parroting misogynistic right wing nonsense. Many states had trigger laws already on the books that would ban abortion once Roe was overturned. Also no pro-choice legal scholar thinks a constitutional right to abortion is unjustifiable. Maybe you mean Roe was not meant to be the test case that made it to the Supreme Court? That is true, but that's different than saying there is no basis for a constitutional right to abortion.

Yup. Billy Bragg DESPISES women.

‘Someone called Billy Bragg’, eh?

Which shows that it doesn't matter what your personal politics. Gender ideology is dangerous.

She is not 'all women' she is one woman who is in a better position than many to be vocal, dedicated to this issue.

How she does that is up to her. You don't have to morph into her to think human beings cannot change sex.

What is it with all this bloody 100% overlap or you are evil shite?

Ireland was held up to be a shining light for self ID. That was until the little problem if males with GRC being sent to Women's Prison's. If a male had surgery, on hormones or just decides to wear a dress but no GRC he is places in the Men's Prison.

In 2015 Ireland's elected politicians pushed through a GRA which allowed women to remove themselves from the sex class women/female.

What language should the 2018 Abortion Act remove give males the right to prevent female gestation?

“foetus”, in relation to a pregnancy, means an embryo or a foetus during the period of time commencing after implantation in the uterus of a woman and ending on the complete emergence of the foetus from the body of the woman;

“termination of pregnancy”, in relation to a pregnant woman, means a medical procedure which is intended to end the life of a foetus;

“woman” means a female person of any age.

www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2018/act/31/enacted/en/html

This year 2022, the word woman is being removed from pregnancy legislation because the Government has been given a legal opinion that men can get pregnant but are covered under legislation to protect them during gestation.

Do you think the man can get a legal abortion under the 2018 act if "he" can be lawfully sacked under the 2015 GRA?

My point is, Posie makes is easy for people like him to take cheap shots at feminists, dismissing us as right wing bigots. He has a platform, and it's not just him, it's everyone who wants to discredit us. This matters.

No it doesn't. Every single wanna be Tory leader is talking about this now. Despite,er, Billy Bragg

Who gives a flying fuck if Billy Bragg is taking 'cheap shots at feminists'? Other misogynists?

Meh, I'm not going to take any lessons on womens rights from Billy Bragg.

Posie is fab. Absurd to call her a liability OP.

Ha! Thanks. Flatter will get you everywhere

I didn't know that about Keira, but I'm not surprised, and I'm really glad posie was able to help her.

Posie is indeed great at getting messages out to people. I'm not saying Posie is all bad. She's great at PR, as I said.

But, I am criticising her dodgy politics and wishing people understood why this is an issue.

Anyway, family life calls. I need to get off here and go take the DC out.