And this is exactly why Posie Parker is a liability

[MerchedBeca]

Yes, she's charismatic, has style and says things out loud we all wish we'd had the ovaries to say.

But sometimes, the shit she says is fucking dangerous. HOW can she say she's standing for women's rights and then blithely say that our access to abortion is a price worth paying? WTFucking hell?

This isn't about elites, or head girls or any of that shit that Posie chucks at women who disagree with her. We're seeing the biggest pushback on women's rights since before women's lib, we need to build a grass roots movement to fight this, urgently, and Posie's tactics are harming us.

So, this morning someone called Billy Bragg out on his stance on women's rights, and he came back directly with a screenshot of Posie taking shit about Roe vs Wade.

We are NEVER going to convince the left wing that this is an issue they need to get to grips with if the loudest voice they hear on this Posie who's very obviously courting the US religious right, and if every time someone tries to have a conversation with the left about this topic, we're all smeared by association with Posie and whatever shit she's said recently. I know she says she's not a feminist but that detail is lost our detractors. She's a gift to those who want to paint us all as ultra right wing bigots, and this matters.

I agree with Posie. TRAs are an active and immediate threat to me, my daughters, sisters, and all the other women I love and respect.

The overturning of Roe v. Wade—a bad decision that democrats have sought to use to their political advantage in the intervening half-century rather than working within states to prepare trigger laws that preserve the right to abortion—doesn't affect me at all.

Only 5% of people in the UK think abortion should be illegal, and only 21% think the limit should be reduced from the current level. Meanwhile, women are being sexually assaulted in prisons.

In Ireland, where I also spend a very significant amount of time (about 50%), abortion was legalised by referendum just a few years ago and ~80% of people support women's reproductive rights. Meanwhile, all a sexual predator needs to do to be recognised as a woman in all ways is sign a form promising he really really means it, and the government are trying to strip the word "woman" out of legislation.

So yeah, it sucks that women in some US states are having to fight the abortion issue anew, but for me personally, it's less important than the gender ideology issue. And if that means allying on this one issue with people who think abortion sucks, or communism is swell, or the best colour for a guest bathroom is lime green, I will.

Quite. I have seen, with my own eyes, Posie misquoted all over the bloody shop to discredit her.

She has also stated categorically that she is pro-choice.

And if people are under the impression that gobby, mouthy, fearless, gives no fucks, in your face, take on anyone, Posie Parker is gender conforming, then I don't know what to tell them.

@LadyAnnabelsTapestries completely agree. There is a sense in which calling someone right wing is as much a silencing technique now as calling someone a t**f I think we should all learn to listen and debate coherently. If we did that the stupidity would be all over, because the logic fail would be entirely out in the open.

I’ve seen this snippet of a part of a comment made by PP doing the rounds quite a bit.

Have you posted a screenshot of the full comment yet, I may have missed it?

In fact has anyone ever managed to get a screenshot of PP’s full comment including who/what she was responding to here?

Is that a trans Billy Bragg or a Cis Billy Bragg 🤷‍♀️

And if people are under the impression that gobby, mouthy, fearless, gives no fucks, in your face, take on anyone, Posie Parker is gender conforming, then I don't know what to tell them.

Can't tell you how much I love this 😁

agreeing on this is like agreeing grass is green

My grass is yellow or brown at the moment

Who are you OP to get to decide what Posie Parker wants to say?
She is a woman, she can speak her opinion of what she wants as a woman & she doesn't have to justify it to you or anyone else.

If people don't want to hear it, they won't listen.

You won't post your Facebook or stand up in public to say anything, while she is right out there front & centre shouting FOR adult women females.

If you want a different message going out, then you stand up & take the risk.

Don't tell those brave enough to do that to sit down if you aren't prepared to do it yourself.

I don't particularly care one way or another about Posie Parker.
I don't know enough about her to know all her opinions on anything.

But not all women think women should have easy access to the right to murder unborn babies.

That doesn't mean those women don't have other opinions you might agree with, or that they may agree with some of your other opinions.

You don't have to be clones in thought & deed to want to stand up for women.

TRAs are the ones who insist everyone follow every word of the party line, not those who believe in reality & free speech.

How patronising to assume she's been used. She is an intelligent woman with views of her own. She has evolved her views. She may well change her views in time, like all people do.

It's utterly ridiculous this infantilisation of women with opinions you disagree with. Women can have nasty opinions, unpopular opinions. Don't follow Posie if her opinions are so distasteful to you. This is what people used to do until something strange happened in the last decade.

I think it must be very wearying to get this sort of backlash from women supposedly championing women to have their own views and be involved in politics whilst also dealing with tons of hate from trans activists.

The woman has done a very great deal to wake socially politically apathetic women up and brought many to the FWR board. Sorry she's not pure enough.

I don't care what allegedly left wing men say. Their time to speak about how self ID presents a danger to women was several years ago.

adult human females not adult women females.
urghh.

I'm so with you OP..away from MN near echo chamber the debate is very delicate still. It's a huge turn off for people not yet in the zone to have the person with the loudest voice also have such poor views on other important feminist issues.

It's utterly ridiculous this infantilisation of women with opinions you disagree with.
Completely agree with this, and you see it with how people on here treat and talk about Emma Watson on here, how she's just a silly little child etc (she's in her 30s FFS)

Ahh so you posted without knowing the facts so I could write a post

Today I had a lot to drink and got in my car KNOWING I was OVER THE LIMIT
And that's why I got into the passenger seat and let my sober friend drive us all home safely

Someone could screenshot and edit it to show the top two lines only and spread it all over the Internet that I drove drunk

Feminists have always viewed vocally non-feminist women as naive, easily duped agents of patriarchy. Nothing new under the sun and all that.

Op, JKR was about as left as you can get and they smear her, too. Any woman who ever says twanw, humans can't change sex, biology is real, immutable and important will be called right wing, bigoted and phobic.

This is the kind of purity politics that many of us here have grown out of, precisely because of how this issue has played out.

Personally, I have come to realise that left isn't actually all good and right isn't actually all bad. It's not helpful or healthy to be so tribal. You can agree with someone on one issue while still being vehemently opposed to their other views. I am firmly pro-choice but understand why others are not, and don't think they are Bad People because of it. I think that kind of mindset is very immature.

The woman has done a very great deal to wake socially politically apathetic women up and brought many to the FWR board.

That's me, I'm with Posie all the way and am also not a feminst. Perhaps it would be helpful if @mnhq renamed this board simply 'gender discussion" and moved it out of the Feminism section, then we wouldn't have to keep going through this rigmarole.

To call this place an "echo chamber" implies you haven't spent long here. I have disagreed with many of the posters here, come back to defend my argument, and then found myself changing my mind on a few things. I haven't often found it echoey - usually it is pretty challenging.

I’m also confused as to why what happens in some American states is the centre of feminism outside of those states? Im in Canada and the uproar here about it was amazing (to me). Im not in America, most of you are not in America. We have reproductive rights, we also have different cultures to America and different issues. So what KJK may or may not believe on abortion is neither here nor there.

And I don’t centre Billy Bragg’s opinions on anything.

You have no idea? And yet you started a thread about it anyway?

I gave you the benefit of the doubt before because I recognise and still sympathise with that urge to placate the left. But I'm done now.

she may be in her 30s, but you don't hear a lot of mature argument from her

Agree.
My friend went on a date with Mr B. He was very dull.

I don't really get the point of your post.

A lot of women may take issue with Posie's views or things she's said. She's not everyone's cup of tea. I can see why she's be attracting the attention of a certain, right-leaning demographic. Personally, I feel really uncomfortable with the involvement of that right leaning demographic in this issue.....but what's your solution @MerchedBeca ?? There isn't one, as far as I can see, so this just comes across as you having a bit of a pointless moan that she exists.

She's an effective campaigner and good at making a noise. If you don't like what's she's saying, the main solution is for left-leaning feminists to start their own Youtube channels and be making daily streams and videos, like she's been doing for ages.

Oh look “that” screenshot is back yet again - funny how it’s never the whole thing isn’t it? 🙄

im so bored of the ‘I’m as GC as they come but PP is a far right bitch which means that everyone who agrees with her is a far right bitch too so can be ignored’ it’s as transparent as fuck

She is allowed her views, I agree with some and not others
BUT I think she is more interested in self promotion than anything else and can behave like a viscous bully to any women who dont buy into her general wonderfulness.