And this is exactly why Posie Parker is a liability

[MerchedBeca]

Yes, she's charismatic, has style and says things out loud we all wish we'd had the ovaries to say.

But sometimes, the shit she says is fucking dangerous. HOW can she say she's standing for women's rights and then blithely say that our access to abortion is a price worth paying? WTFucking hell?

This isn't about elites, or head girls or any of that shit that Posie chucks at women who disagree with her. We're seeing the biggest pushback on women's rights since before women's lib, we need to build a grass roots movement to fight this, urgently, and Posie's tactics are harming us.

So, this morning someone called Billy Bragg out on his stance on women's rights, and he came back directly with a screenshot of Posie taking shit about Roe vs Wade.

We are NEVER going to convince the left wing that this is an issue they need to get to grips with if the loudest voice they hear on this Posie who's very obviously courting the US religious right, and if every time someone tries to have a conversation with the left about this topic, we're all smeared by association with Posie and whatever shit she's said recently. I know she says she's not a feminist but that detail is lost our detractors. She's a gift to those who want to paint us all as ultra right wing bigots, and this matters.

I think maybe some women have forgotten, or are unaware of the horrors of living in a country without access to abortion and what we stand to lose.

This video is well worth a watch.

"It's OK to Set Boundaries"

These wankers will imply we’re all right wing bigots anyway. Do you want to ban right wing women from agreeing with us, or something? Because every time a right wing person or a person who stood next to a right wing person in a Facebook photo ten years ago agrees with a GC point, the likes of Bragg and his NEET chorus can weaponise it. If you allow him to. Stop playing into his hands.

So PP is the leader of and speaks for all women now does she - sorry, I didn't get that memo.

If it wasn't PP it would be someone else not womaning correctly and letting us all down in the process because as everyone knows, one woman "doing it wrong" taints all women - misogyny as old as time.

I don't give a tiny shiny shit what the Left think tbh - they certainly don't give a shit about me or the millions of others who don't care for the genderist pseudo-realities arsewash they've been foisting on the despised lessers for years now with no thought to actual real world consequences for women and children.

If some wish to continue to ballpalm them in the hope of a headpat and cookies then have at it but I don't think I'll bother, thanks.

1. I didn't think she was anti trans. More pro women, ie get self id,d men out of womens spaces. This phrasing matters so please use it.

2, what was the rest of her post, it was cut off.

1. I'm sure there was a third but my womanly brain has fogged. Ill go with since when is posie our leader. I wanna vote for jkr

Men find it easy to talk about Roe v Wade because it will never affect them and it sounds radical. Much harder to talk about preserving single sex spaces because it means they have to move over and help GNC men feel comfortable. Or pay more taxes to have additional spaces for those that want them. The poor dears are already paying for women's spaces and disabled people's spaces.

Meh. Arguing that having to keep the likes of Billy Bragg onside dictates what women are allowed to speak about is a waste of time. He's dismissed women from the outset of all this so why anyone's giving him headspace (let alone posting frantic posts about what he says) I can't imagine.

Yes, we don’t need Billy Bragg. Bye Billie.

However, I think it's worth considering something else, which is that although it's common for many feminists to see abortion as foundationally related to women's rights, many many women do not think that.

This is so true, Baroness Nicolson who is also GC has sponsored a bill to reduce the legal gestation period for abortion down to 12 weeks.

Excellent post.

You know what op, your posts remind me of the kinds of things I thought and
said when I first became aware of this issue.

I had always believed the left were my allies and so naturally I thought it was just a matter of finding the right formula of words to convince them I wasn't a bigot.

And then one day, it hit me. There wasn't. I realised these people weren't interested in listening to women and that, however carefully we chose our words and however impeccably we behaved, they would look for a way to smear us.

It was upsetting but also freeing. I recommend it.

Awwww c'mon now we six are the hive mind dontcha know.

Well it's a well worn trope that we are Borg.
Not true obviously

This is so true, Baroness Nicolson who is also GC has sponsored a bill to reduce the legal gestation period for abortion down to 12 weeks.

🙄 do you (plural, or perhaps just identifying as plural?) think we can’t see you? This is transparent and tedious.

@Floisme

I was upset too, but it’s really obvious, isn’t it? A person (like Lisa Nandy) who will say to a woman’s face “yes, if you are in prison it might be with another woman with a penis and you are a bigot for thinking that’s a problem” has lost their mind. She’s not interested in listening to us.

Access to safe abortion if needed is essential. I hate BB's phrasing in the "allowing women to decide if and when to give birth". This is not it at all. Women do not use abortion access as contraception. Most women take this decision very seriously and is why we must listen to women. But it is a serious business, never pleasant or easy or unconsidered. Yet again BB is making it a right v left issue. PP stands and makes it clear that many of her previous natural political allies as someone who cares about people per se, have been damning of her, sneering of her, and painting her in ways that are not fair if you have genuinely followed her journey in speaking for women.

Women's rights and the right to speak for them do not belong to the left wing parties. These things belong to women.

I agree she's a liability.

She appears very keen to start scraps with TRAs which is entertaining and makes good social media fodder but isn't particularly constructive or helpful.

What has Posie accomplished, exactly?

The changes we're seeing are largely down to women organising, raising awareness is a part of it but also lobbying Parliament and local government, building alliances, fighting battles in court, getting articles in the media, standing up for what they believe in at work, in schools etc. Thousands of women up and down the country.

Posie make a lot of noise, she's great getting seen and raising awareness, sure. But she's not involved in lobbying, nor building alliances and she's making it harder for those who are. This is where a lot of the real work happens. It's not glamorous, it's not newsworthy. We're not changing opinion on this scale because of Posie having picnics! Or even her AHF posters, inspired though they were. They are just one small part of the picture.

Can you point me to a specific campaign Posie has created and "won"?

Losing abortion rights is a huge threat to one right - the right to an abortion. Losing the right to be defined as women - adult human female - and allowing self Id is a threat to all women’s rights - including abortion. After all, why would men fight for a right to something they’re never going to need?
Get this one massive thing sorted and the rest will follow far easier. You still haven’t said how you replied to Bragg’s post.

You really hate her, don’t you?

So what you actually meant was Billy is a twat doing what he usually does.

And, separately, Posie may have said something that you disagree with but have only Billy's word for, and a truncated quote!

And yet I know many women who have joined this fight purely because of her!

Have you watched the video I posted? That replies to this better than I can.

And no, I'm not revealing my Facebook profile to you!

What has Posie accomplished, exactly?

She's sold a huge amount of T-shirts.

If I wanted to discredit Posie Parker, I certainly wouldn't be saying this. 🤣

But Posie Parker and those who follow her are making it so much easier for people like him to imply we're all right wing bigots.

Honestly, you know we've reached 'reality departure' to such an extent you can see it from space, when people think FWR are going to be persuaded by what Billy Bragg says about Posie Parker, rather than the other way round. 😁

And for the love of God, try and come up with something more original than bigot when attempting to stop women's rights activists.

And really, Billy Bragg?

Just want to point out that it’s usually not people on this side of the debate who can’t defend their statements with their own words and have to resort to “watch this video, it will explain everything.”

(and no, as always, I will not watch the video.)

I'd love to see her accounts. I used to be on her mailing list. It's pretty much ALL sales stuff, very little actual campaigning on women's rights.