And this is exactly why Posie Parker is a liability

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Yes, she's charismatic, has style and says things out loud we all wish we'd had the ovaries to say.

But sometimes, the shit she says is fucking dangerous. HOW can she say she's standing for women's rights and then blithely say that our access to abortion is a price worth paying? WTFucking hell?

This isn't about elites, or head girls or any of that shit that Posie chucks at women who disagree with her. We're seeing the biggest pushback on women's rights since before women's lib, we need to build a grass roots movement to fight this, urgently, and Posie's tactics are harming us.

So, this morning someone called Billy Bragg out on his stance on women's rights, and he came back directly with a screenshot of Posie taking shit about Roe vs Wade.

We are NEVER going to convince the left wing that this is an issue they need to get to grips with if the loudest voice they hear on this Posie who's very obviously courting the US religious right, and if every time someone tries to have a conversation with the left about this topic, we're all smeared by association with Posie and whatever shit she's said recently. I know she says she's not a feminist but that detail is lost our detractors. She's a gift to those who want to paint us all as ultra right wing bigots, and this matters.

Just coming back to thank the op as I rewatched some of KJK's earlier videos on YouTube today. I admire her for the formidable woman that she is. she was right 5 years ago and I 100% back her for having conversations with whoever the hell she wants. TRAs/MRAs are falling over themselves to divide women into left/right camps. Trying to shame people but frankly all they are doing is trying to prevent women from thinking for themselves as usual. Thanks to Kellie so many more women are confidently pointing out the truth plain and simple. Trans people can be whoever they want but please do not expect us or the law to affirm the untruths.

As opposed to far left fascists who can’t get enough of identity politics.

I feel let down by the current administration to uncritically see trans issues as the 'civil rights issue of our time' - Biden

But, it's tough to publicly oppose a president of your party during a pandemic, after Jan. 6 and during inflation AND there have been plenty of real roadblocks that have kept the Dems from protecting Re.

I have watched the Democrats attempt to get their judges in (Merrick Garland) and watch them get thwarted by unethical Senators (McConnell) and then ram in judges during Trump's time in office...I can't fault the Democrats for our current Supreme Court. That was timing, refusal by the GOP to have a hearing for Garland, and also loss of RGB. They need not a simple majority, but a 2/3rds majority to make abortion rights a constitutional right. They have never had the legislative numbers to codify Roe v. Wade. This is also due to red states having more legislative power because of the electoral college. So, no, I'm not blaming Democrats for this - banning abortion has been a major goal of the GOP for almost half a century.

At the same time, I think our system is breaking. For a long while, I've wished for more parties and to break up the Dem/Rep binary dominance. I'm watching Andrew Yang's Forward Party as they are interested in changing our systemic election and structure issues so legislature better reflects the majority of voters, rather than the fringe views from both sides we now have.

Bill Maher is another one speaking out and he's no conservative.

I feel let down by the current administration to uncritically see trans issues as the 'civil rights issue of our time' - Biden

Me too. Deeply disappointed. But what am I going to do? Vote for the fuckers who tried to overthow democracy in the US (and could have succeeded), ended Roe, gutted the EPA, forbade states from regulating guns and will undoubtedly vote as expected in the Moore case coming up in the Fall - bye bye democracy?

I am in Massachusetts which quite often elects republican governors - basically fiscally conservative and socially moderate/liberal. This year's candidate is Trump's campaign manager in MA and is far right batshit. The current republican governor is one of the top-rated governors in the US and gets high ratings from everyone except republicans - they hate him. The republican party has more or less become a cult.

But how on earth is Posie Parker/KJ responsible for the whole mess that is USA politics? How?!

Posie Parker is not responsible the mess that the US is in. But she is responsible for her own actions when she comes to the United States for the purpose of advancing the right wing's agenda.

I don't believe that she is struggling at all to find a way to express clearly how esoteric it is to discuss the legal definition of sex in the absence of sex based rights (including abortion) because I don't think that she understands that the faction that is so interested in defining our sex is also so committed to oppressing it. And I don't think she cares at all about abortion rights. Quite the whiff of the trad wife about that one.

I do care who she talks to. And if she wants to come all the way over here just to promote an MRA's YouTube channel who kidnapped an autistic girl, well she can fuck right off.

Tradwives are women who think they are meant to be subservient to their husbands. I really don't think that applies to PP.

It really is not a good idea to extend it to just mean any woman who thinks that there is value in working at home without pay or taking care of kids.

That would be a way to alienate a lot of women.

I'll never vote Republican...but I will look at the Forward Party and I do push my Dem candidates every second I get.

I will file away 'trad wife' in the same box as 'T shirt seller', 'Nazi Barbie' and 'Thick feck' - comments that do nothing to persuade but that say a great deal about the person making them.

Delphinium20 thank you - I knew I could rely on you for another perspective 😀Seriously I sympathise, UK politics is bad but I would be out of my mind if I lived in the USA and felt I had to make a choice between those absolute fuckers. I've not heard of the Forward Party - sounds interesting. I still wouldn't trust them with women's rights though. That ship has sailed for me,

At least AMW is out of the way (for now)

Maybe you prefer alt right fucking collaborator. I understand that Posie Parker fans just love women who talk plain and say it like it is. So I'll say it like it is, if she wants to advocate for women in the UK more power to her but if she wants to come to the US and hook up with the Heritage Foundation to promote their anti abortion, anti gay, anti immigration, anti women's agenda she can just fuck right off. And while she's at it she can fuck right off with calling for men with guns to patrol our bathrooms. We have enough fucking problems with violent men as it is without her mad as hell posturing.

You can file me in a box all you want. While you're at it you can put her in her basket with Milo Yiannopoulos and Nigel Farage and tell them all to quit taking money from the far right to meddle in our country's politics.

Oh shush, boxowine.

You know what is very capitalist and thus pretty "right wing"? The assumption that only paid activity outside the home is of value.

And before you make any smart remarks about 'housewives' or 'tradwives', I am posting after performing a full day's paid work outside the home.

But I very much resent the idea that it renders women 'tradwives' if they look after their children directly instead of paying for childcare or wraparound care.

Oi Referee! I do not advocate filing Boxowine in a box, my post was all about the comments: lazy, argument-lite and guilt-by-adjacent. 'Trad wife' on the feminist board of a parenting website is an extra fine illustration.

I agree. It was really noticeable that some women lost all interest when I said I was full-time mother, which I was for 15 years. Previously investment banker and now Civil service, so not exactly 'trad wife' either. Some women think you only look after your kids if you're incapable of doing anything else, and it's snobbish and unpleasant

Fear not, you have not advocated it. Boxofwine got me pissed off this morning all on her own, and I found that I was still cross this afternoon.

If she can dish it out to the mummies on the talk forum, she can take it when some of us reply back.

I can see you are very passionate about this, but as it always goes, what is it you want from this thread?
I mean I dont know her, I cant tell her how you think and I'm not all that sure she would listen to either of us. She is a woman, she is pretty independent, she will do whatever she wants. With or without our blessing.
So as it always goes, is it just a rant? Do you want something to happen or not happen? How do you best think you can achieve it? Because frankly she is banned from here and wont see your post. so I dont know how much help it's going to be.

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www.federalregister.gov/documents/2022/07/12/2022-13734/nondiscrimination-on-the-basis-of-sex-in-education-programs-or-activities-receiving-federal

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Do they accept comments from outside the US Delphinium?

A few UK women have told me their comments went through.

OK I’ll have a go Delphinium. I promise not to call them ‘absolute fuckers’. 😉

Still not UK women's fault when the ruling class in the US decided to curtail women's rights.

hahaha...fuckers is A okay w/ me...just don't say wankers cause they'll for sure know you're writing from 'terf island'

thank you!

Fascinating article:

Why Former Suffragettes Flocked to British Fascism

slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/04/why-the-british-union-fascist-movement-appealed-to-so-many-women.html