Julie Bindel & Sharron Davies can't believe women centre their politics around the trans issue

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Julie Bindel

You may hate me for this (well, some of you at least, but I cannot BELIEVE that many of you on here are deciding who is good or bad for PM because of the trans issue ALONE. I mean, I KNOW it is an urgent issue, but so are a million other things right now!!

Sharron Davies

I agree with your too Julie. There’s a bigger picture right now with people potentially unable to feed or keep their kids warm this winter. We can keep bringing the sunlight to other issues.

Yes.

Maybe because it's utterly trivial? Maybe she's more focused on the point she's making? Maybe she doesn't see it as a mistake? Dunno. Don't care. You seem to see it as being one, and that interests me.

I didn't mean to imply that Davies had made a mistake. Merely to emphasise the way I see your reaction as introducing a moral dimension where there doesn't need to be one. Where I think there isn't one.

But I want to apologise for the "habituate" comment. That was snarky and unnecessary. I knew what you meant.

Is this issue really more important to you than the housing crisis, the fact that wages haven't risen for 14 years ,rampant inflation, an energy crisis, millions being in dire poverty. raw sewage floating down rivers and the return of polio, the decline of the NHS, exorbitant cost of education, attacks on civil rights, iv or the inabiliity to solve brexit?
And on this point, Sharron Davies appears to agree with you, and yet you're still trying to discredit her. Why?

That's gracious of you re "habituate" - and I appreciate it.
Nonethless I consider giving credence to the views of Peter Sweden to be an extremely serious matter- especially endorsing his opinion about the media and asking what we are going to do about "a media that only shows the news the[y] want to show"

@antifascist
Get over yourself
Do you not see any irony?
Most people would be better off not saying this to anyone else. It is rude, and to say it risks being the very thing you are accusing someone else of being.

@antifascist

based as far as I can understand it on fears that transpeople will enable more men to dress as women to frequent women's lavatories

No. You have not understood very much if this is all you have been able to make out from people’s discussions on this thread, and others.

Sigh, here we explain yet again that we care about women.
Most of us are not a part of the Tory party so have no input as to who the next prime minister is.
Yes this is my hill to die on. I am well past the time that "after the revolution sister" is good enough. I now require much more from politicians than wait your turn.
FWIW
The housing crisis has been rumbling on since 2000 ish not really a crisis is it, more of an ongoing issue.
I dunno where you work but I've had wage rises in the last 14 years. Maybe you should change employers?

I remember previous terms of high inflation, it's a cycle and will happen again.
The energy crisis has been known about since I was a child. So for the last 50 years its been a crisis. Same as housing, it's an issue.

Millions were in poverty under labour, I know I was a single parent then.
No clue about polio returning, not heard about it, cannot comment.
The NHS has been in decline and near collapse every single winter. Money however wont help the NHS, we need something like the Canadian system.

I'm proper bored now and will return to the other alleged issues later.

''Declining to repeat lies is not fascism.
Demanding people repeat lies, on pain of their livelihoods, is fascism.''

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@JustSpeculation
I'd be amazed if Sharron Davies sees herself either as a leading figure in the "GC movement", or as amplifying far right views.

May I link to something Orwell said once in his Tribune column? The first bit:

www.telelib.com/authors/O/OrwellGeorge/essay/tribune/AsIPlease19441208.html

Thank you very much for the link to George Orwell’s essay. What he writes there could not be more pertinent not to Sharron Davies in this particular argument about her retweet, but to anyone disagreeing with another point of view in a discussion.

Sorry, ‘not just to ‘.

The energy crisis has been known about since I was a child.

Your other points in the post were fair, but the energy prices are out of control.

From Martin Lewis -

Rough Ready Reckoner based on predicted future price cap...

If you pay £100/mth now, from Oct £165, Jan £170
If you pay £150/mth now, from Oct £250, Jan £255
If you pay £200/mth now, from Oct £330, Jan £340
If you pay £300/mth now, from Oct £495, Jan £510

"Nonethless I consider giving credence to the views of Peter Sweden to be an extremely serious matter- especially endorsing his opinion about the media and asking what we are going to do about "a media that only shows the news the[y] want to show"

So it's not holocaust denial, but his views on the media you have issues with in this case? If you think his views on the media are wrong, then counter them. Why are they wrong? If you think Davies is wrong about the way farming issues are covered in the media, tell us why. Or, rather, go on Twitter and tell SD why. I don't think farming issues are a main focus of this board.

But you are using the Peter Sweden issue to clobber Davies' views on women's rights without directly addressing those views themselves. You are manufacturing a connection where there isn't one. That's the problem.

Women would love to stop having to waste resources fighting for our basic right to exist, and tackle other important issues.

No one else is in our corner but they all demand our time and energy when it suits them.

That's literally a 14 second clip with no context at all. It's so out of context I have no idea what the source is
Can you share the full video? I don't trust clips like that, the full video rarely says what the editor has clipped to imply

You do keep misrepresenting me - I wish you wouldn't

I have a simple message" Don't endorse holocaust deniers.

if you do so accidentally . apologise and/or acknowledge your mistake.

There you go with the authoritarianism again, its out of kilter on a feminist board.

So Holocaust Denial is a feminist value?

Can you share the full video? I don't trust clips like that, the full video rarely says what the editor has clipped to imply

It's from the most recent The Mess We're In, she's not implying that all gender critical people are fascists but for some it is an entry point into other far-right ideals.

"So Holocaust Denial is a feminist value?"

Good lord. That's quite a leap you've taken there.

Is talking bollocks an antifascist value?

That's my mistake then. I assumed what was meant was a serious lack of energy currently due to decommissioning power stations. Threats of brown outs/blackouts for several years that haven't come to pass yet.

I completely trust that clips cut from videos that are edited mid sentence are absolutely conveying the full meaning for the original message 🙄

I wasn't aware that "farmers are struggling" is a particularly far-right view.

Has twitter’s policies been changed recently ?

If not. it could be argued that twitter has fascist tendencies, and anyone using it is amplifying its power.

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