Julie Bindel & Sharron Davies can't believe women centre their politics around the trans issue

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Julie Bindel

You may hate me for this (well, some of you at least, but I cannot BELIEVE that many of you on here are deciding who is good or bad for PM because of the trans issue ALONE. I mean, I KNOW it is an urgent issue, but so are a million other things right now!!

Sharron Davies

I agree with your too Julie. There’s a bigger picture right now with people potentially unable to feed or keep their kids warm this winter. We can keep bringing the sunlight to other issues.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · Today 22:18
And where they hypocritically conveniently made an exception in the law whereby a change of gender would not be recognised when it comes to descent of peerage

Unless it's expedient to set that aside for special purposes, of course…

The House of Lords could shortly welcome its first trans peer and only female hereditary member.

Matilda Simon was this week given permission to contest the next by-election for one of the upper chamber’s remaining 92 hereditary seats.

If she wins, she will doubtless become the envy of peers’ daughters across the country, because the vast majority of titles may only be passed to a male heir.

However, because of a legal loophole, the candidate, born Matthew Simon in 1955, has inherited and retains the Barony of Wythenshawe, despite being in all other legal respects a woman.

^www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553555-first-trans-peer-a-step-closer-as-hereditary-candidate-claims-seat^

This is an outrage. The hypocrisy is unbearable.

Tell me if I have misunderstood:

A woman cannot inherit a peerage in spite of the example of our great queens. If she becomes a trans man - even bearing in mind that TMAM - she/he cannot inherit the peerage.

A peer who becomes a trans woman however - even bearing in mind that TWAW - can keep his/her peerage.

I so wish there could be a legal challenge.

It’s certainly a weird hobby

Tell me if I have misunderstood:

A woman cannot inherit a peerage in spite of the example of our great queens. If she becomes a trans man - even bearing in mind that TMAM - she/he cannot inherit the peerage.

A peer who becomes a trans woman however - even bearing in mind that TWAW - can keep his/her peerage.

Upside: you've understood perfectly.

Downside: you've understood perfectly.

I'm saying check out who Sharron Davies has been retweeting

I don't particularly like this 'check out' instruction thing. If a poster has a point to make, please summarise the point and add the (hopefully credible) source.

I'm saying check out who Sharron Davies has been retweeting

You might be better advised to consider the beam in your own eye. You failed to carry out due diligence and made a serious assertion alongside assigning a motivational driver: you've chosen not to retract your calumny. It speaks volumes about your actions and more.

I assumed she had followed the holocaust denier in question and then posted her denial

the fact @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus thst you consider approvingly retweeting a whiute. nationalist holocaust denier is less serious than the above says a great deal about your priorities. I'm glad I don't share them

Still thank you for confirming the links between the gender critical and the extreme right

I expressed some reservations a few months ago when I saw JB assert, in an interview, that feminism should remain on the left.

It irritates me a little when people talk about feminism "leaving" the left or "remaining" on the left.

I get where they are coming from but feminism IS the left. It cannot detach itself from the left. It is about a group of oppressed people trying to liberate themselves through collective action. That is left politics, whether we like it or not.

Some people (like @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus consider approvingly retweeeting a holocaust denial is a trivial matter which could happen to anyone- and the person who points that out is the one who should be held to account for their "Calumny"

I guess it could happen to anyone who is in sympathy with holocaust deniers

Do you check out the background of everyone you retweet?
I certainly don't, I see something I like and click retweet, are we supposed to do a thorough background check first?

I do- and I don't have over 100000 followers.

If I had "accidentally" retweeted a white nationalist holocaust denier twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1545664864907051008?s=20&t=r8AMeGTMs6c9kAjJCN3hxw

and it had been pointed out to me
twitter.com/Simon_Whitten/status/1545728940517761025?s=20&t=r8AMeGTMs6c9kAjJCN3hxw

I would delete and apologise

I guess it's a matter of priorities. Some people appear to think that it's an easy mistake to make and/or it's not that important.

i'm sure that's particuarly trues if you share the sympathy with the extreme right that some gender critical people do-

@antifascist · Today 00:20
Some people (like @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus consider approvingly retweeeting a holocaust denial is a trivial matter

I am asking for the third time: please would you send me a link to the re-tweet by Sharron Davies, which you now say is a holocaust denial?

Previously, you said it was a re-tweet of something said by a person you say is a holocaust denier, but not that the original tweet was a holocaust denial as you do now.

I think that the switch to seeing what was really happening was very slow. Tough really, it pretty much mirrored the change in thinking in the country at large. It took a good while for most people to get what was going on, and many of us had that moment where it clicked and suddenly, the whole thing looked completely different. Political leaders seemed to have pretty much the same experience with a good number totally on board and quite a few others who just thought it was all small potatoes.

Once they started to cotton on though at the higher levels, I think things have moved as quickly as could be expected in politics. Which is rarely as quickly as people would like.

It really is like turning a tanker and getting it back up to speed.

Now I have read it antifascist.

Farmers from Poland, Italy and Germany have joined the Dutch farmers protest.

All over Europe the farmers are protesting and the media is completely ignoring it.

It has nothing to do with holocaust denial.
It is about EU directives against nitrogen, related to reducing its effects on climate change, meaning farmers may go out of business, and the media apparently not reporting on the farmers’ concerns.

PeterSweden is an white nationalist with a serious record of Holocaust Denial,

Sharron Davies quote tweeted him approvingly. with a remark about the "media that only shows the news the[y] want to show"

His record of Holocaust Denial was pointed out several hours ago be mulitple people.

the quote tweet remains

I consider that a matter of some concern.

Others seem to consider amplifying a holocaust denier to be a tricial matter.

I guess that probably depends on how serious you consider holocaust denial to be.

Some like @ScrollingLeaves and· @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus consider it to be a trivial matter. perhaps its normal in the circles you move in

I don’t have a Twitter account.
I only see what the content of a tweet is in a specific instance.

If the person who was tweeting about farmers is a holocaust denier, he was not making a denial about the holocaust in any way there.

Are you saying that ‘nothing’, what so ever that a person who is is deemed wrong says can be responded to because that would be amplifying their wrong views - even if the response in question is to an entirely unrelated matter?

Why did you at one point say on this thread that SD had re-tweeted a holocaust denial when that was untrue?

antifascist
I said to you,
Are you saying that ‘nothing’ what so ever that a person who is is deemed wrong says can be responded to because that would be amplifying their wrong views - even if the response in question is to an entirely unrelated matter?

I have now looked up Peter Sweden and see he is a nut case who has said terrible and also extraordinarily stupid things about Jews and the holocaust. In addition I read that he has a massive following. I can understand your concern that this following of his could get even bigger if someone gets on to him through reading S D’s tweet.

I do in general though think simply ‘cancelling’ someone no matter what they say, is wrong. For example I hate Trump, but if he says something I think has a point I try to admit it to myself.

The same with Putin, whom I hate even more.

In this case I think SD just responded without knowing the rest about him. I don’t tweet but I did not know about the amplifying effect till you mentioned it. I have copied and pasted or linked even abhorrent tweets to acquaintances or here just to discuss them.

Also, you were not right to throw out the statement that she had re-tweeted a holocaust denial. Or was that a typo and you meant that she had ‘re-tweeted a holocaust denier‘?

Please avoid personal allegations of what circles I, or anyone else, move in. Of course you wouldn’t know.

Some like @ScrollingLeaves and· @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus consider it to be a trivial matter. perhaps its normal in the circles you move in

I consider both your lack of due diligence and your readiness to practice calumny to be very concerning and not trivial. I can only hope that it's restricted to your online life and that your habits of mind are not indicative of those with whom you identify yourself IRL or that must be pretty unpleasant.

I gather that despite your self-appointed role, you have had no training as a witchfinder and denouncer? It is clear that your aspirations are to be judge and jury but it's very unclear as to what end or what your overall goals are for your activities.

Not only are you extraordinarily pompous you haven't made clear your position on someone with a large public platform who approvingly quote tweets holocaust deniers?

How do you think Davies should have acted when Peter Swindon's views were pointed out to her?

Oh fgs
Twitter is a cesspit
Retreating someone doesn't mean you are a fan and agree with everything they say
You are just stirring now

Not only are you extraordinarily pompous

wait… i know this one, this is projection right?

Stay away from the transference, Rufus!

Thing is, if we can't show fidelity to reality when it comes to sex, how on earth will we convince people that climate change is a real and pressing concern? This is about manipulation of truth and language - combating that is fundamental to making progress on other issues.

I had to go look that up…