Forstater judgment tomorrow

[achillestoes]

In case we hadn’t had enough drama.

Good luck, Maya.

How will it be announced? Will it just be a press release?

Good luck Maya

Best of luck Maya

Just to add that I too am so impressed by Maya and how she is handled this and for setting up Sex Matters. She is a true inspiration and whatever happens tomorrow she has made a huge and positive difference.

She has already won in my eyes. She started the public conversation which has lead to others being able to speak out. Things have changed dramatically.

Glad I've only just seen this. Will be interesting to read tomorrow.
The appeal was so long ago, I'm probably going to confuse aspects of Allison's case with it!

This would echo my own thoughts

I have been keeping my eyes peeled on here all though June waiting for this. Can’t wait!

I stand corrected -Maya tweeted earlier that she doesn’t know the result yet.

But the EAT ruling means she GC critical people have already won. I just hope Maya herself wins hands down tomorrow.

Good luck, Maya 🍀

Good luck, Maya.

Good luck, Maya 💐

Good luck, Maya.
She has been through so much and of course I hope it's a win for her, and for 'us'. But even if it's not, bringing the case has changed the landscape and opened up the debate. The genie is out of the bottle. And it's not going back in.

Sex Matters are looking for an administrator, I am seriously considering applying. It would give me a chance to take an active part in supporting the fight for our rights

This! Fingers and toes all crossed.

Technically not an employee? Now, I thought everyone was protected against discrimination in employment law at all stages of employment, so you could bring a tribunal if you felt you were discriminated against at application or interview stage if you had a strong enough case?

Mind you, from my own experience, tribunals and employment law are all but impenetrable to a large proportion of the population.....

‘Technically not an employee? Now, I thought everyone was protected against discrimination in employment law at all stages of employment, so you could bring a tribunal if you felt you were discriminated against at application or interview stage if you had a strong enough case?’

You can. I think this rests on something like whether they had reciprocal obligations making the relationship like enough to an employment relationship to make discrimination protection kick in. I don’t really know where the bar to that is. It can’t be that high otherwise she would have been advised that her case had no chance of succeeding, but the other side certainly argued with some vigour that she wasn’t an employee in the way that she said she was.

Yes the definition of who is covered by discrimination law is wider than in other employment law eg unfair dismissal.

I think there was also an issue on possible time bar as well that the ET were considering?

will it just be on the usual ET decisions gov page does anyone know?

Good luck Maya.

Time to repost Maya's electrifying speech to the WPUK Liberation conference in 2020.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ0NnEWOXv0

Whatever the outcome, thank you Maya. You have taken us a very long way already, and god knows at what personal cost

I personally thought the Respondent’s arguments about employment status were far too dependent on the rules in the US, not the UK. Same with WORIADS.

But I guess we’ll see in a few hours.

I wonder even if she is found not to be an employee on a technicality, can the judge still provide a view on the necessity of employers being clear on how people with gender critical views can express these views in the workplace.

If we are forced to celebrate pride by our employers (the screen on my computer is all Pride colours for the month of June), then they have brought gender identity politics into the workplace and they absolutely should be required to allow a space for people with different views.

@GrabbyGabby

I agree, I think it’s awful the way companies are allowed to foist their politics on their employees.

Yes, the judge can comment on areas of law anywhere in the case.

Excellent. There are key areas that need to be explored and it’s finally starting to happen.

And yes, I hope workplaces starting rethinking all the political slogans and symbols being forced onto their employees, especially places like councils and schools. It’s insidious and wrong.