Midwives told sex is "assigned"

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Now midwives are told sex is 'ASSIGNED' at birth mol.im/a/10964279 via dailym.ai/android

Another not so subtle language change to attempt to blur reality. Thank you to the midwives for calling it out. 'Assigned at birth' plays on the ideology of the possibility of a mistake being made. We don't buy it!!

Assigned does not imply “they (penis and testicles) weren’t there before being worded into being.” Assigned in this usage merely means a separate person has specified/identified the sex.

It does. I can see where you've got confused now. Glad to clear it up for you. They've not specified the sex btw as that also suggests they are exerting some sort of control whereas in reality they just look at penis or not and follow the then inevitable recording of birth sex. Language has power so we need to resist changing concepts I thr ones you want I would have thought a neuroscientist could understand that.

We heard it here, women.

Demonstrating respect the terminology and medical histories of people born with DSD, and awareness of the history of medical treatment for people with DSDs would amount to zero effect.

As I value people with congenital conditions, I heartily disagree with your valuation.

Exactly.

But it is kinda fun to watch the wriggling and obscufation that comes with transphobes pretending to be allies that come on here telling us what to do and what words to use.

Just as when recording the babies weight at birth we simply record 'weight' We don't have to say observed, assigned, recorded or anything other than a simple 'weight'. The same should apply to 'sex'. Assigned should not be part of this process. There is no need.

Just out of curiousity DiscoverEads, since you think “assigned” makes sense because it’s describing a “thought process” in an unspecified third party or number of third parties, do the following phrases seem meaningful to you?

Weight assigned at birth (of a baby)
Weight assigned at weigh-in (of an adult weighed at the doctors)
Weight assigned at weigh-in (of an adult who weighed himself at home)
Assigned yellow at purchase (of a banana)
Assigned green at purchase (of a banana that is now yellow)
Assigned coffee-stained at the kitchen table (of a pair of trousers)
Assigned coffee-stained at the laundrette (of the same pair of trousers)

if you think “assigned” is doing something useful in any of these phrases or in “sex assigned at birth” could you explain what it is? Or if you think it’s only helpful for “sex assigned at birth” could you explain what the difference is that makes this phrase special? After all, all the above examples also involve “thought processes.” Every time a human uses a word to describe anything there’s a thought process involved.

It seems to me that “assign” is obfuscating wordy bollocks in all the instances listed and in “sex assigned at birth.”

The huge, huge effort going on to force this word through other people's boundaries.....

always these little landmines being set to blow apart other people's rights and to enforce this political belief system over anything else and anyone else, and always it comes with a shout of 'it's tiny! it's harmless! It's just (ending the right to be homosexual, to be female, to have words, to be allowed to mention reality without being arrested, to say no to male people, to safeguard children, insert as applicable'.

Yeah. No. Believe what you want. Don't stand on my doorstep evangelising at me and trying to enforce your belief systems over mine and we won't fall out.

Yes all these supposedly tiny changes here and there that we're all required to accept without question as it's not doing us any harm. But dig a little and the reasons become clearer. This ideology wants to remove biological sex full stop. In their ideal dystopia babies are no longer born male or female. No thank you!!

and always it comes with a shout of 'it's tiny! it's harmless! It's just
Absolutely.
If it's so tiny and harmless why fight so hard and dirty rather than do what they're instructing us to do and let it fucking go??

'observed' is more accurate though. Sex is there, someone observes it and writes it down.

""I’m arguing against it because it is meaningless. Because protesting assigned at birth to try and replace it with observed at birth will not “prevent males from deciding they are females” (which is the stated aim of all this). It will have zero effect- as I have explained painstakingly on this thread and others. You know this to be true.""

I don't think anyone IS arguing that it will prevent males deciding they are females.
The argument is that it's yet another insidious creeping of language, a change here, a change there, until language becomes a meaningless soup that really doesn't describe anything accurately.
There is NOTHING ambiguous about saying "recorded" or "observed" at birth.
"Assigned" implies some degree of flexibility or malleability, as if those decisions were in the arbitrary hands of the person who happens to be doing the assigning.
Women aren't just women anymore, they're "cis" women, or "non-men", and all the other frankly offensive and ridiculous terms we have seen creeping into language (I'm looking at YOU NHS), "menstruators", "people with cervix/uterus/ovaries" etc, "chest feeding", and so on.
Language matters.
One small change might not seem like a big deal, but when the changes are being forced upon people, particularly women and their way of describing their world and themselves, we are naturally going to protest and fight back where we see people using terms which imply sex is just an arbitrary accident of some midwife or doctor who's actually thinking about what they're going to have for lunch.
Words do matter.
I think you actually DO know that "assign" was always used when talking about those born with congenital sexual development disorders. I have NEVER heard anyone until the last 5 or 10 years talking about their baby being "assigned" male or female.
"Congrats on your new baby! What did you have?"
"Well, he's been assigned male at birth".....
"Ok..........."

It's just nonsense word soup and another example of concrete words to describe sex and biology being befuddled and confused so that the lines are fuzzy, which obviously all plays into the hands of those who would be happy with that outcome.

Like fuck that poster is a neuroscientist!

😂
As if they had anyone fooled, bless them.

There are politically captured/quasi religious extremist politicians, teachers, police, NHS workers, I'm sure there are scientists too. <Shrug>

We're a tolerant, multi faith society. The line is trying to enforce personal beliefs on others, and into law, that enforce performance of your personal belief and remove everyone else's rights. At that point the answer is a resounding foxtrot oscar.

I used to volunteer as a teaching assistant for adult ESOL learners. Some students had a particularly hard time learning English because their first language was very different from English (e.g. Mandarin), or they were illiterate or barely literate in their first language, or they had difficult personal circumstances. One student also had a learning disability.

I think this experience makes me particularly impatient with attempts to obfuscate public information, especially medical information. Why has the Plain English Campaign been overridden by this new trend for using confusing and misleading language? It isn’t more inclusive - it excludes some of the most vulnerable members of society.

So no, I won’t pretend that sex is assigned at birth. However, my young daughter does have something that was assigned at birth - her NHS number.

The argument is that it's yet another insidious creeping of language, a change here, a change there, until language becomes a meaningless soup that really doesn't describe anything accurately.

AND therefore effectively removes everyone's boundaries against the desires of a small political lobby with extremist and highly intolerant, discriminatory views to do whatever they want with no responsibility or care for impact upon others.

It's not just meaningless desire to 'queer' everything or the anarchist beloved idea of fuck everything up (largely for fun) and then somehow from the pieces some magical new era will arrive that's much better (formed by those with a sense of responsibility presumably since those doing the fucking up have no interest beyond the mindless smashing and destruction, or what happens to the rest of the populace while everything's smashed up.) It's quite intentional and purposeful towards imposing political control and quashing the ability of others to resist.

It's fucking scary stuff, all this 'it's just a tiny little....'

I’ve just been listening to a pregnant colleague talking about ‘other pregnant people’. What has happened to young women?? I’m not all that much older but I would never have used that phrase. Makes my teeth itch.

It's all very keeping up with the Jones's.

Much virtue signalling. "Look how nice and progressive and alert to the new in thing I am using these words". Hence why usually it turns out to be incredibly shallow and not linked to any real thought or values for the group concerned.

It's a verbal version of the Gangnam Style dance, where it gets bigger and bigger until even politicians are making cringey videos of them doing it on social media, and it's become a thing for dads and grannies, and then it becomes the least cool and out of date thing going.

Which is a bloody tragedy for equalities in general, and training the general public that its fine to sneer and belittle and be prejudiced against whoever's currently not hot news. There will come a point where those who started all this are going to end up on the sharp end of what they created, and start realising why since 1945 there have been very, very strong values of 'regardless of whether we dislike you or disagree with you, we believe in absolute fixed standards of how we treat all people, without exception, because if it's just be nice to our mates - that way madness lies'. Evidenced by several thousand years of history.

But those people were old and probably right wing and saggy titted and it's not like all that accumulated life experience actually matters, or anything.