Midwives told sex is "assigned"

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Now midwives are told sex is 'ASSIGNED' at birth mol.im/a/10964279 via dailym.ai/android

Oh yes, well you see, he was a very perceptive man, Sir Thomas Moore.

referring to the biological aspects of an individual as determined by their anatomy, which is produced by their chromosomes, hormones and their interactions

Yes.

generally male or female

Yes.

something that is assigned at birth

No.

It's observed. Frequently months before birth. If there's any doubt about visual clarity of sex by the anatomy observed then you can test the dna fragments in the mother's blood or do a chromosomal analysis on the child when born, which will clarify sex.

No one assigns anything. There is not a sorting hat. If it's 'anti trans' to not pretend to this then oh well. I'll take that over anti reality and anti basic common sense.

Could explain a lot.
"Sorry, we are over quota on girls this week. This one with a vagina will have to be a boy". 10 years down the line "trans"

If it's 'anti trans' to not pretend to this then oh well. I'll take that over anti reality and anti basic common sense.
Hear, hear 👏

More Daily Mail anti-trans hyperbole. God forbid anyone use more inclusive language around transgender birth parents.

Erm, sorry joke of a dad but all transgender people, whether they like it or not, are the sex that they are, and they are the sex that they are, since conception.

I know, it's very painful so you might have to sit down and catch your breath at this. The Midwife didn't wave the sorting hat over your children and assign them anything, the moment they were born.

Assigned is the legal term. That’s it.

No debate in full glorious technicolour 😂
There's a good reason these people take this stance rather than actually argue their point.

The word assigned is grammatically wrong though.

If you assign something, you take one from a range of options and allocate it to that thing. So it's in the control of the person doing the assigning.

In what way is biological sex able to be picked and applied to the body on birth?

Where exactly in law is it stated that sex is 'assigned' and that 'assigned' in fact means sexed?

Where is that on the Hansard record please and who voted on it?

Because anyone who's been following this debate for a while is well aware that 'assigned' is appropriated language from the time before clear chromosomal tests for people with DSD were available, when sexing a child with DSD could be a matter of 'best guess' and this is an area of other people's hardships that I'm not going to go further into because people with DSD have repeatedly asked not to be weaponised in this way by those with unambiguous biological sex who would like to be able to blur the boundaries for their own purposes.

It is helpful in the TQ+ political debate to encourage the use of 'assigned' which implies that gender is something coercively imposed at birth that the person may later reject. However it attempts to conflate sex with gender and make it so that biological sex escapes boundaries and definitions and can be self defined and by doing so tries to remove everyone else's boundaries and sex based rights.

In short: a baby's sex is observed or established by actual, fixed, unchanging fact, and it is not 'generally' male or female, it is one of two sexes. The child's gender is something they will tell you about when they choose to. Probably in a very great amount of detail.

Lol, googling 'assign legal term' first result gives me this :' Assign is the act of transferring rights, property, or other benefits to another party (the assignee) from the party who holds such benefits under contract (the assignor). This concept is used in both contract and property law'.

So yeah, I agree it's a legal term @DadJoke, it just doesn't mean what you think it does

I came on to post the same, I had NIPT at 10 weeks, so have none my DDs chromosomal make up ever since.

I was literally quoting the ONS website on the definition of sex. It means that the child is examined and assigned to a sex category which is added to the birth certificate. This is the term used in law, by the NHS, and unsurprisingly by the RCN. This article has confected outrage from people who live to be outraged.

They are not assigned.

Sex is observed, frequently on scans before birth, and simply noted as fact. This is linguistic crowbarring for another agenda.

Ooh, that's the kind way forward wims:' I decided let them go on protesting a perfectly good English word that they cannot seem to grasp the literal meaning of because it simply highlights how thick and stupid they really are.'

Your bridge-building mask is slipping, @Discovereads

Thanks to you I now understand exactly what is meant by 'be kind', Discover, that's the away I will approach those I don't agree with in the future, by calling them thick and stupid. Well done you!

Oh, the lovely non-captured ONS use it @DadJoke , that's me told . They definitely know what they are talking about as proved by the court case, that's me told.

Any actual legal definition from you, legal government source, anything? or will you blather on about the NHS using it a bit more first, so that should all be fine?

@LK1972
Well I’m only human. A thread of 1000 posts of me trying to get through to you wore out my patience. Sorry I’m not an endless well of kindness. But really, you lot mock transgender people being upset at being misgendered and yet are frothing at the mouth and getting your knickers in a twist over the word “assign” and acting like there is some conspiracy afoot to take away womens rights all because “assign” is being used despite it being harmless and about the best word in English to describe the process of sexing a baby. By all means, protest away…it just makes you look stupid and hypocritical. And this is tough love btw. I telling you how it is, I’m not going to suck up to your delusions.

@Discovereads I've linked a study, by a TRA, by the way, clearly linking this language to deliberate replacement of the biological sex, to advance 'trans rights'. Women do not benefit from biological sex being replaced in law. Stop telling us we obsess over nothing and think it through.

The term “assign” in relation to sexing a baby pre-exists by decades the TRA movement so it is not possible that it is change in nomenclature as part of a conspiracy to attack womens rights. It also is not replacing biological sex in law. It is literally the process by which biological sex is determined.

But there’s no sense arguing with you on this. You are obsessing over nothing. You want to change assigned at birth to observed at birth- go ahead! It will change nothing except the fact that’s not technically the correct usage of the word observe. But hey whatever who cares about actual definitions when it comes to feelings.

Why did anyone report @Discovereads post? It was really clear demonstration of the attitudes of those who regularly scold women here and should've been allowed to stand

Bridge-building at its finest by the 'inclusive' crowd

Source for usage or you're lying

And NOT in relation to DSD babies, who have nothing in common with trans people

But hey whatever who cares about actual definitions when it comes to feelings

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