Midwives told sex is "assigned"

[Ravenclawdropout]

Now midwives are told sex is 'ASSIGNED' at birth mol.im/a/10964279 via dailym.ai/android

We're back to the Blackadder episode I quoted some pages back, I think.

Speed has nothing to do with how thought processes work in the human brain and how they can be broken down. I could get really technical on you and go from optic nerve to each neuron but I fear that would probably confuse you.

i just wanted to highlight this one as it cracked me up. (It’s in defence of their argument that seeing what sex a baby is is a “process”.)

It matters to me because “assign” is a more accurate term for the process than “observe”. I’m pedantic.

It matters to you because you think that swapping assign for observe will somehow “prevent males from deciding they are females”- which it won’t. So you’re arguing that assign means all kinds of things under the sun that it doesn’t actually mean and talking about TRA conspiracies all to fuel your futile protest- which just makes you look myopic to say the least. And it’s all for nothing even if you get your way. Won’t change anything.

Transpeople will still get GRCs and still get new BCs with the M changed to F or vice versa regardless of whether the M or F on the original BC was “assigned” or “observed.”

I think there could be an argument that the word "male" or "female" is assigned, in the sense that some kind of "choice" is exercised.

But the sex itself is not assigned: it already exists independently of the observer.

It’s not an argument, it’s a fact that sexing a baby is a thought process.

And it matters to me because I see children being encouraged to believe that sex is merely something allocated to you by a third party, so why shouldn't they be able to change it?

The baby is male or female even if there are no words to describe them.

What you are thinking of, is going through the words that you have been taught to see what one matches.

Two completely different things.

"It’s not an argument, it’s a fact that sexing a baby is a thought process"

Tell that to the gametes and chromosomes which determine a baby's sex.

Well sex has to be decided by a separate adult human being (or group) because the fetus or newborn baby is literally incapable of self-identifying their sex. You’re never realistically going to overcome that obstacle. If it’s “observed” instead of “assigned”…yep still done by another person/persons.

No it doesn't have to be "decided". It already is, regardless of whether there's somebody there to fill in a form.

Oh dear, another someone doesn’t know what “sexing” or “thought process” means. Hint: it doesn’t imply you can change sex.

Lol. Sure, from the perspective of a neuroscientist, seeing a penis and recognising it is a “process.” And so is identifying that an object is yellow.

But neither observing a person’s sex nor recognising the colour of an object is something an actual human experiences as a “process” (unless you’re on an extremely high dose of ketamine or something, which might explain some things but then how the fuck are you typing so much?)

You are entirely ridiculous.

It is decided. Don’t be silly. Decisions do not affect reality. Something is and then during the thought process after become aware of what is, you decide what it is.

So you agree, that the sex of a baby already is, long before anyone decides anything. Excellent.

@TastefulRainbowUnicorn
Finally! A person who knows what a thought process is.
However, have to say I am an actual human being (not a bot), and yes when it comes to the use of language to accurately describe tasks, I do think in a process oriented way. Years of training and all that.

I’ve never implied otherwise.

No, an observation is recorded. Like the medic who had a quick gander at my baba and informed me of the sex.

You are right about a decision not changing the reality though. As Professor Robert Winston said, your sex doesn't change. Ever. So, someone deciding to applying to be recorded as the other sex doesn't change the reality of the sex are. I think that is why it has been referred to as a legal fiction.

Anyone who goes around in life 'assigning' words to things that are already well known perfectly clear and understood concepts will be viewed as a collossal twat by everyone who has the unfortunate experience of encountering them.

So therefore I am unable to assign anyone here as a 'collossal twat' because to do so would automatically make me a 'collossal twat'. As it is already understood.

I just had a quick look at the opening post. I wonder if doctors are being told a load of bs edumacated along these lines also.

Well that was weird.

My ds's penis was seen at birth and then rather than say to me 'it has a penis and testicles and does not have a vagina' they used the shorthand of 'it's a boy'. The presence of his penis and testicles are facts. They do not define his identity and they weren't assigned as that implies they weren't there before being worded into being. Assigned implies a degree of choice which does not exist.

Yes. You change the words written on a piece of paper and not the reality. Some people are desperate for that not to be true but it is. You can pretend that something is true just because its written on a piece of paper but that does not make it so and most people know that.

Assigned does not imply “they (penis and testicles) weren’t there before being worded into being.” Assigned in this usage merely means a separate person has specified/identified the sex.

Assigned does imply a degree of choice, but it doesn’t imply a completely free, arbitrary or random choice. In the case of sexing, the choice is M or F and while this does indeed exist, it is strictly restricted by the physiology of the baby as to which sex you choose for them.

'Well sex has to be decided by a separate adult human being (or group) because the fetus or newborn baby is literally incapable of self-identifying their sex. You’re never realistically going to overcome that obstacle. If it’s “observed” instead of “assigned”…yep still done by another person/persons.' I wonder how the animals manage to identify their own/opposite sex without all this careful analysis and recording process carefully designed by an esteemed neuroscientist on this thread, one of the few with the sacred knowledge of how our thought processes actually work.

Here the definition of assign being used:
-to designate; name; specify: to assign a day for a meeting.

or in this case to assign a sex for a baby.