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MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 28/06/2022 19:37

twitter.com/HalifaxBank/status/1541692892175110146?t=6PoJxoXZAUwWHmXRZdtsxw&s=19

Getting their arses handed to them in the comments, it's rather heartening to see that people have really had enough of this.

twitter.com/HalifaxBank/status/1541786073302433792?t=E_xpGMHqPNolZkP145kPSQ&s=19

Although AndyM here is prepared to defend it to the hilt by actively encouraging customers to close their accounts 😬

Awkward conversation with management about the goal being bringing in customers and not telling them to bugger off for Andy in the office tomorrow perhaps!

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WooFighters · 02/07/2022 08:35

there a single bank left that doesnt push gender ideology?

Probably not. For.the simple fact that its the easiest protected characteristic to virtue signal without changing anything.

Accomodating disability requires thought and practical solutions. Costly. Ditto age. As Halifax have shown, you can't wax lyrical about women's rights if you have such a woeful pay gap.

Even lesbian, gay and bi as a group could require potential thought and actual commitment to change.

So trans is nice and easy. In reality they'll have very few 'trans' employees because the age group this has exploded in aren't largely yet I'm the working world. As for misgendeeing,in the vanishingly rare times it might come up it's still unlikely, since most people will avoid pronouns if unsure plus you and proper names are used directly.

HairyFrogMother · 02/07/2022 08:35

@SolasAnla I don't disagree with your analysis (including your suspicions about Halifax) other than to suggest Woke IS performative nonsense. How many woke climate champions rack up 1000s of air miles? How many vegans are wilfully oblivious to the environmental impact of monocrop growing to support the explosion in vegans foods? How many environmental conscious youngsters are oblivious to the environmental destruction of natural habitats for mining the metals needed in their phones and gaming devices? How many sex positive 'sex work is work' types are wilfully oblivious to the harms of prostitution and porn? I could go on and on with many more example of how hollow most 'woke' positions actually are.

mrshoho · 02/07/2022 09:42

Sick to death of this virtue signalling being pushed down our throats. We've got our mortgage and bank and savings accounts with Halifax but can't see a suitable alternative. I wish banks would focus on providing a convenient service to it's customers. We're ok as online banking suits us but the elderly such as my Dad are so badly catered for. All local branches have closed. The one branch left in a large town is so busy and half full of ATMs. I have to take him as it is too difficult. I wanted to set up my LPOA to set up online banking but have to wait 6 weeks for an appointment. As long as the poor trans feel loved though..

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 02/07/2022 10:00

Ian Leslie's comments.

And even as the Halifax team suggested this is about simple inclusivity, they implied an ideological stance too, both in the tweet itself (‘pro-nouns matter’) and in their replies. The badge, they say, is intended to ‘open the conversation around gender identity’. Yeah, I don’t know about that. When you go to meet with someone at your bank, what do you want a conversation about? Maybe there are people who enjoy some chit-chat with their banking officer about Judith Butler’s theory of gender performativity before getting down to the details of a fixed rate mortgage application, but I can’t imagine there’s too many of them.

In truth, the badge is about more than than just inclusivity and kindness, and it’s about more than pro-noun usage. It is a signal of allegiance to a whole set of politically charged beliefs about the relationship between gender and sex and identity; beliefs that are - let me put this as mildly as possible - some way from being universally accepted truths. If Halifax wants to plant its flag on that particular hill so be it, but as I wrote last week, it’s either naive or disingenuous to engage in cultural politics without being open about what you’re doing (in their case, as I say, probably naive).

ianleslie.substack.com/p/down-with-pronouns

WarriorN · 02/07/2022 12:07

Was this posted yet?

No idea if a true reflection of the markets!

Halifax...
Birdsweepsin · 02/07/2022 12:47

James O'brien really, really missed the point here didn't he.

For someone so spot-on with understanding about the footballification of politics, he can't see that he is doing the exact same thing by only ever considering the mast his colours are nailed to.

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obriens-animated-reaction-to-outrage-over-halifax-pronoun-badges/

EdgeOfACoin · 02/07/2022 13:45

Banks knew the difference between men and women in the days when women couldn't open a bank account without their husband's permission or get a mortgage in their own names

Oddly, there didn't seem to be such a high mtf transition rate when women were actively and legally discriminated against.

Anyway, I have loads of accounts with the Halifax, annoyingly. This weekend I was genuinely planning to open a children's savings account with them for my baby. I have made the decision not to open the savings account with Halifax and will look elsewhere.

I will also reconsider my current accounts, savings accounts and pension. I haven't had a spring clean of my finances for a while.

WooFighters · 02/07/2022 13:55

Banks knew the difference between men and women in the days when women couldn't open a bank account without their husband's permission or get a mortgage in their own names

That is a very good point.

Datun · 02/07/2022 14:08

EsmaCannonball · 02/07/2022 00:07

I have a problem with chosen pronouns because forced pretending is deeply humiliating and proves all the power lies with the gender ideologists, but even worse is being forced to be sexist (and sometimes homophobic) by colluding with idea that gender is what makes us a man or a woman. A man standing in front of me and making me pretend he's a woman, because he is mimicking a sexist conception of womanhood, is degrading me. It's not about politeness, it's about power.

Exactly. And very succinctly put.

Compelled pronouns is forcing people to adhere to an ideology, which, if explained, most people would disagree with.

Most people do not think that sex is irrelevant, that you can't identify biological sex, and that gender identity should trump it (whilst not being able to define it).

And there's nothing polite, decent or inclusive about a bank practically slamming the door in your face, if you don't agree with it.

I disagree with the ideology, on a profound level, there is no way I would accept being compelled to look as though I'm okay with it.

PearlClutch · 02/07/2022 14:52

I had intended to look at moving my banking into more credit union, smaller friendly societies, etc and away from high street banks. Any tips appreciated.

bare · 02/07/2022 15:05

WarriorN · 02/07/2022 12:07

Was this posted yet?

No idea if a true reflection of the markets!

Someone needs to post this on Charlie Nunns Linked In 😀😂 He is the new CEO of Lloyds

Theblondestoftheblonde · 02/07/2022 15:14

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 01/07/2022 23:34

A policy which, if you challenge them on, they will tell you that you are a nasty closed minded little woman and that your opinion/ feelings / rights don't matter. Then they will ignore you.

Isn't it amazing how these companies are fully able to work out who the women are when they are telling us to shut up or fuck off?

quite

endofagain · 02/07/2022 16:17

Theblondestoftheblonde · 02/07/2022 15:14

quite

And they post everywhere gloating about what they enjoy doing all over the underwear then hanging it back on the display. [vom]

endofagain · 02/07/2022 16:19

The men that is.

GailForce10 · 02/07/2022 20:45

Meanwhile on another part of the Internet the takeover by drippy bedwetters has completed, with most posters concluding that there is nothing wrong with the badges and the only thing wrong is the people who complain about them.
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=1992977

Theeyeballsinthesky · 02/07/2022 20:50

Well colour me totally shocked that men on a mens forum don’t have the first grasp of the issue

GailForce10 · 02/07/2022 20:56

Well maybe but the biggest defenders are those who pride themselves on being ultra progressive and (to use an overused term) woke. Their sanctimony is raging against those who question the message from Halifax

pbj · 02/07/2022 21:00

WooFighters · 02/07/2022 08:35

there a single bank left that doesnt push gender ideology?

Probably not. For.the simple fact that its the easiest protected characteristic to virtue signal without changing anything.

Accomodating disability requires thought and practical solutions. Costly. Ditto age. As Halifax have shown, you can't wax lyrical about women's rights if you have such a woeful pay gap.

Even lesbian, gay and bi as a group could require potential thought and actual commitment to change.

So trans is nice and easy. In reality they'll have very few 'trans' employees because the age group this has exploded in aren't largely yet I'm the working world. As for misgendeeing,in the vanishingly rare times it might come up it's still unlikely, since most people will avoid pronouns if unsure plus you and proper names are used directly.

It won’t come up as has been pointed out there aren’t any bloody branches left anyway as they don’t give a shit about their customers. Why would they need badges anyway? Woke camouflaging was the term aptly used.

WorriedWoking · 02/07/2022 22:55

That PistonHeads thread is depressing. Loads of brainless blokes telling the one sane bloke that they are quite happy to be asked by the NHS if they’re pregnant, and that he’s literally killing children if he refuses to answer the nonsensical shit question 😡

SolasAnla · 03/07/2022 10:04

What some people are missing is that we are moving towards a cashless society and the number of individual banking institutions are reducing. The bank is acting like a modern Robber Baron knowing it owns the factory shop and owns the workers housing and is telling its customers to fuck off if they don't comply with the bank's demands.

Humans moved from barter to precious metals to paper equivalent and now to an electronic message. The bank can socieo-economically analyse its customers from their financial transactions. What happens when the bank decides as an open policy they will extend the current trend to go above the law and banking services will only be provided to the right type of believer?

The Canadian Government a "liberal progressive" group of elected officials opted against direct action legislation to lift the trucks parked up in protest and instead passed laws which specifically targeted the ability of political dissidents to engage in everyday life. Mission creep is a dangerous thing.

There is no need to build gulags if you can starve the individual within their own community, and the community itself has to stand and watch. Its creating an electronic stock in the village square.

The idea of a good corporate citizen needs to be re-examined. Originally it was to stop the managers from killing staff and/or the general public and/or preventing asset stripping at any cost, while hiding behind the faceless corporation. Its not to allow managers to asset strip while manipulating the economic or political lobby power to create the illusion of "doing good works".

PearlClutch · 03/07/2022 10:08

Solas, agree: I do think we need to look at this in the wider context of what is happening with banking.

WolverineBluey · 03/07/2022 10:25

I've a Facebook friend asking for reasons why anyone should object to pronouns on name badges - the replies are full of people saying anyone complaining is 'hateful'.

Why that's the only way of these people can frame it, I dread to think.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 03/07/2022 10:26

Santander and HSBC have already started doing that. They've picked the kind of targets we can all agree on driving out of society, to start with, that no-one wants to stand up for. But one day it's driving anti-semites out of society, the next day it's you.

extract

"I’m going to read a statement out for you,” the manager said. “But I’m not going to be able to answer any of your questions after that.”

He read out:

“We have locked your bank account. We can’t give you any more information. We might be in touch in future with more information. But we don’t know when that might be.”

Could she have her money? No.

But how was she supposed to get home? After all, she lived eight miles outside of Leeds, and now she had no bus fare. Apparently, this was not the bank’s business."

unherd.com/2020/10/how-corporations-can-delete-your-existence/

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 03/07/2022 10:48

The world and her dog likes to think she supports human rights, but she likes to imagine herself defending a modern-day saint as she does it.

Unfortunately the first targets of regimes are often unlikeable people. But once human rights have been made conditional on what views a person holds, precedent is set.

MagnoliaTaint · 03/07/2022 10:54

Hm. Odd that my card was declined recently when I tried to donate to a Crowdjustice crowdfunder for a gc woman. I had to call the bank to reinstate it.

No explanation of why this particular transaction triggered a decline - wasn't due to insufficient funds, wasn't a large amount of money - £20 iirc. Haven't had a card declined in years.

Another coincidence, I suppose. Co op bank.