Fck it. Just going to identify as agender as a GC feminist.

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I'm technically agender anyway as I choose to not believe in gender woo.

If males can infiltrate feminism by saying they're women I'm infiltrating transgendersism by identifying as agender.

If I'm asked my gender identity why shouldn't I say this, it's technically true according to stonewall.

Quite like the idea of being a double agent of sorts....

I’ve got some great jokes about trans stuff. There is a rich seam of mockery there, but fuck all satire because no one could trump the likes of Jeffrey or that new simpering one, Dylan, I think? With the barbies pocket tampons? He has to be a character act.

Did you see the brilliant Tiktok parody a young woman in America did of that person? The hounds of hell were unleashed upon her, doxxing, death and rape threats, the usual. Quite something.

So by that logic, you are ignoring the fact that women are also awful to trans people (as shown on this thread). Does your natural born sex make you better than the other?

Writing the same thing and ascribing opinions to me that I don't hold over and over again doesn't stop it being a straw man.

You need to take a logic class.

I did. He gets praise and simpering and sponsorship, she gets abuse.

she’s hugely talented. I hope she gets a Netflix show.

he’s a fucking jester.

But they aren't part of my reality. They have nothing to do with me.

I want to be able to have and use a word that means, exclusively, adult humans of the female biological sex to describe myself, and to have single sex spaces and sports reserved for that group.

I don't want that word to include male people, because that would defeat the purpose of it.

I don't recognise the legitimacy of gender as being any sensible basis on which to organise society, because it is based on regressive and sexist stereotypes.

All this.

My god, you're boring.

Happy to oblige, @placewherewebelong - but I think you’re clearly very spiteful and meanspirited, and also resort to name-calling whenever someone points out the clear hypocrisy in what you’ve written. I would be ashamed to be lecturing others about “meanness” whilst behaving that way, but perhaps that doesn’t matter to you.

In any case, it’s an incredibly neat demonstration of how people attempt to control women’s speech, first through shaming, and then resorting to overt name-calling if that doesn’t get results.

In fact, it’s one of the most misogynist techniques for trying to police women’s discourse that there is. Whether done by men or women.

This is what I mean about the genderists being a decade behind in developing their arguments.

it really takes the sport out of the banter, you know.

In any case, it’s an incredibly neat demonstration of how people attempt to control women’s speech, first through shaming, and then resorting to overt name-calling if that doesn’t get results.

I particularly enjoyed the occasional attempts to force team, suggesting that if I were a bit kinder I could express my valid views.

No, it doesn't. But I do honestly think (aside from the nutters) people have misinterpreted this.

It's not about being kind.

It's liek anything else in life.
It's all very well to suggest that you shouldn't have to censor yourself, but in life we do.

I'd like to call my boss a wanker most days, but that wouldn't pay the bills.

Here's the thing though - you can think what you like. You are without a doubt one of the most disingenous posters I have come across. I have more time for @Ereshkigalangcleg 's views because she's consistent and blatantly astute even though we disagree. You present yourself as the second in command of the mean gang, on hand to insult anyone who disagrees with your pals.

I stand by everything I've said, and ultimately we will both go on with our lives.

the attempted emotional shaming of "women's speech" is tedious. I am a woman, I don't give a monkeys what sex you are, I care about what you say.

If you could tell me where I've been mean I would be interested, unless of course you want to misrepresent my bullying comment for what I believe is the 7th time.

Yet you've never actually said that you don't think women are better than trans people.

The irony of your top sentence after your performance about my bullying comment is interesting.

i try very hard not to say mean things on here, usually i succeed

i have every sympathy for someone who feels happier and safe identifying as someone of the opposite sex, i think some people take advantage of this way of identifying and use it to get out of punishment for example

i have zero fucking patience for someone who identifies as a cat and wants their pronouns to be meow…and this happens and i will absolutely support someone being able to take the piss out of it even if thats not something I would do myself

ive no sympathy for someone saying they are non binary either, this is the normal state for human beings…not fitting exactly

i think 90% of these genders are made up bollocks, if i believed in god I’d get on my knees every night and thank god that my children are now young adults and don’t believe in any of this either….although again they are very supportive of transmen and transwomen

It's liek anything else in life.
It's all very well to suggest that you shouldn't have to censor yourself, but in life we do.

I'd like to call my boss a wanker most days, but that wouldn't pay the bills.

But I'm not at work, I'm making throwaway posts on social media anonymously. So no need to censor myself, I can say what I want, within the rules of the site and the laws of the country. Whether it offends people is another matter.

You present yourself as the second in command of the mean gang,

No one is in command or second in command and there is no "mean gang"

Do you really not, as a clearly intelligent woman, think there should he a compromise?

Do you really not, as a clearly intelligent woman, think there should he a compromise?

What would you suggest? I think women (and other people) should be allowed to speak freely. I'm not a fan of tone policing whoever is doing it.

Yet you've never actually said that you don't think women are better than trans people.

I don't think women are better than trans people. Happy?

why gleeful?

I have said for a long time that from now on I’m non binary. I don’t want to chose between the different label woman/man because I’m rejecting all the stuff associated with gender.

Ive gone against that for years. I’ve always found that having to justify myself was a pain. Non binary solves the issue.

It's a shame that threads get hijacked by posters whoinsult other posters rather than making a rational argument which might persuade anyone to shift perspective.

I put my phone on charge to do some baking and return to find 3 or 4 pages of ….

Seriously, anyone who walked into a real world venue and attacked a group of friends having a laugh together about the funny antics of their kids and the latest fads would not likely be treated with any more patience and forbearance than has happened on this thread.

It really has proved the point the women over 40, especially if they are mothers are not allowed to play the gender identity game. For some inexplicable reason some people get really riled up about it.

We are gently mocking an authoritarian ideology which is coming at us from every direction. This is a ideology which currently holds power in our society and imposes itself on us. I am pretty sure that if the ideology left us (and our children) alone we would feel very differently about it and be less inclined to mock it. It dominates everything at the moment, schools, workplaces, libraries, NHS, shops. Where ever we look we are confronted by it. So yes we mock it, it is far better than bowing down to it.

But you dont. Because your anger at this whole thing (rightly so) is based on what nutters are saying on twitter.

It's very strange you reference the mothers and over 40.

I'd have the same opinion if it was being said by a 12 year old boy. It's not about you!

and I'm really not a misogynist. I have spent much of the day reading all the horrendous things going on in America just now, unable to believe that I have lived to see this day.

I just struggle with the fact that it's the worst crime ever that I don't think we should be ripping the piss out of people.

In their own heads (And I'm not talking about the nutters) they want to be part of YOUR reality, not deny you.

Do you think men ever think that transmen are part of their reality as men?
I doubt it tbh.

No, but ironically enough, I believe that biological men are more accepting of trans men - IME, boys are more accepting of trans boys - than the other way round.

Now I'm sure someone will be along to tell me it's because theyre all misogynists who want to erase women, but the reality is, boys are more likely to live by the principle of dont be a dick rather than the group of what people fall into.

Also, whether or not we accept the reality is different, i accept the right of people not to do so (although as I've repeatedly said, I don't thin kthat should be done maliciously).

However, i still think that we choose to see transwomen as trying to infiltrate or erase our reality, while in actual fact, for whatever reason, the vast majority are trying to be part of it.