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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Fck it. Just going to identify as agender as a GC feminist.

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Metabigot · 25/06/2022 17:25

I'm technically agender anyway as I choose to not believe in gender woo.

If males can infiltrate feminism by saying they're women I'm infiltrating transgendersism by identifying as agender.

If I'm asked my gender identity why shouldn't I say this, it's technically true according to stonewall.

Quite like the idea of being a double agent of sorts....

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nightwakingmoon · 27/06/2022 13:28

(And also explains why, the moment anyone starts to gently mock the xenogenders, there are instant toys out of prams and hyperbolic accusations of spitefulness and meanness and horrible-women-should-be-ashamed-to-be-so-unkind!

It’s a massively over the top reaction, mainly to stop anyone realising that if “catpacigender” is obviously ludicrous, then a lot of all the rest of gender ideology is as well.

But it’s also very much like horrible old mum who is SO MEANNNNNN! Has put her foot down and said no, you don’t get to eat out of a cat bowl at the table, but must use your cutlery like everyone else.)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/06/2022 13:53

But the sillier reaches of the xenogenders and neopronouns clearly undermine all of the foundations that it all rests on, and so the ideologues just tend to hope we haven’t noticed them yet and they really don’t want to get into it, because when we get to being compelled to respect 13 year old Felix as an aro-ace cupioromantic Otherkin with ze/zeself pronouns on Tuesdays and xylo/xyem pronouns on alternate Fridays the entire gender thing starts to look absolutely idiotic.

Agree, we have government departments saying how "gender" is more meaningful than sex, and yet "gender" until someone defines it properly or sets out some boundaries, also includes this type of patently ridiculous teen meme. I think it will eat itself eventually.

GertrudeKerfuffle · 27/06/2022 14:22

I thought this may be the case @nightwakingmoon but I find it strange that the trans rights movement would really want to align itself with stuff that is so left-field. If you apply Poe's Law to this stuff, who can tell whether a new gender is being proposed in good faith, or just as a piss-take anyway?

I suppose it all makes more sense within the queering agenda where anything goes and it's apparently cool to get a photo with a police officer holding your puppy leash at a pride March.

Anyway, I reserve the right to question a teenager in my care if they want to start identifying as space cat. I would ask very different questions if they said they thought they were the opposite sex.

FemmeNatal · 27/06/2022 16:10

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nightwakingmoon · 27/06/2022 16:55

I thought this may be the case @nightwakingmoon but I find it strange that the trans rights movement would really want to align itself with stuff that is so left-field. If you apply Poe's Law to this stuff, who can tell whether a new gender is being proposed in good faith, or just as a piss-take anyway?

Yes, and one would understand totally if, say, middle aged transwomen, were to say “leave us out of all of this, my lengthy lifetime struggles with gender dysphoria aren’t really the same as teenagers playing around with catgender identities”.

But so much of the edifice is dependent on the myth of the “trans child” that activists seem to cling to as a form of validation, even though it actually doesn’t really serve their purposes that well.

We have some quite well known middle aged professional white well off transwomen who will pop on here every so often, for example, to join in the call for puberty blockers for teenage girls with identity issues. I originally expected some of those activists to take a more moderate line, for example that young teenage girls who are attracted to gender ideology, and adult male to female transitioners, might not have the same needs or desires; and that it might be prudent and sensible to look at thee groups rather separately when it comes to what is appropriate treatment, especially for minors.

But it seems that for the most part, the overwhelming desire to be validated by the idea of transness : gender identity more generally, and the idea of “trans children” in particular, is such a powerful one that adult activists cannot resist conflating kids’ and teenagers’ fashionable fads around gender with their own.

I’m not sure that, in the end, it’s going to work as well they hope. The online xenogender bandwagon doesn’t look like a very controllable beast (beastgender? Otherkin?) to ride in on….

nightwakingmoon · 27/06/2022 16:56

What did you get deleted for, @FemmeNatal ?

FemmeNatal · 27/06/2022 16:58

nightwakingmoon · 27/06/2022 16:56

What did you get deleted for, @FemmeNatal ?

I think for saying that a trans woman’s belief in being female was not indicative of physical reality.

It really wasn’t attacking anyone or saying anything controversial, so I don’t understand what happened.

nightwakingmoon · 27/06/2022 16:59

Seems to be happening quite a lot recently! 😬

FemmeNatal · 27/06/2022 17:02

nightwakingmoon · 27/06/2022 16:59

Seems to be happening quite a lot recently! 😬

As trans myself (non-binary, like everyone else on Earth) it seems strange to have my take on trans issues censored like this.

Not my site though, so not my rules.

placewherewebelong · 27/06/2022 18:19

FemmeNatal · 26/06/2022 23:39

No, you’re the funny one, pretending that you had a coherent argument, then just acting like a child and petulantly saying that you won’t share it. You know, I know, and everyone else knows that if you really did have an explanation you’d have given it by now.

Have you been here a long time? It's an age old tactic to ask questions and then pretend the only reason they havent answered it (cause youre so important) is that they cant, other than that it was 23 45 and I couldn't be arsed. The wgl is strong.

placewherewebelong · 27/06/2022 18:20

Aria999 · 26/06/2022 23:46

I agree Candy, you have.

Ffs. I went to bed! You have been fair, but I'm not an owl!

@CandyLeBonBon I have no idea what you asked me

placewherewebelong · 27/06/2022 18:22

Conflictedunicorn · 26/06/2022 23:16

Exactly @vest but pointing out this ideology is dangerous Is apparently spiteful and mean. Amd @placewherewebelong really needs to get her terminology right. It’s folx if you want to be truly inclusive.

Is there a reason yoire assuming I'm a woman?

Conflictedunicorn · 27/06/2022 18:22

placewherewebelong · 27/06/2022 18:19

Have you been here a long time? It's an age old tactic to ask questions and then pretend the only reason they havent answered it (cause youre so important) is that they cant, other than that it was 23 45 and I couldn't be arsed. The wgl is strong.

To be fair people started asking that question long before 24.45 @place in fact, from rather early on in the evening, but you were more interested in being insulting and scolding people for mocking a ridiculous ideology.

placewherewebelong · 27/06/2022 18:23

Pixiedust1234 · 27/06/2022 10:41

I am mocking the entire concept as it does not make sense . You do realise that humour can be a way to explore certain subjects from different angles, to help find a balance and provoke thoughts and serious discussions.

According to you i have to accept, totally and fully, that men can be women otherwise i am unkind but nobody/you can accept women (or men) trying to discuss which of the many hundreds of genders they could possibly fall under according to the stonewall because its mean and mocking. Its not up to you to police my thoughts, my emotions, and how i deal with them.

If you don't like a certain humour and you find this triggering then just scroll past the thread, nobody is forcing you to read. Its the same for any subject. I don't force my views, or tell others off, for believing in a god (or infact that cycling is the best ever hobby!!) - I scroll past all religious discussions (or cycling threads). Its not my place to scold them and tell them that they are wrong.

I won't be replying to you again. You have a certain attitude here that I cant put my finger on (well I can but... you know.. I can't say it) but its unpleasant and most definitely unnecessarily unkind to a lot of other posters. Try looking inward and see if you can do better to be kinder to others who are struggling with genders and need a safe place to discuss their feelings. It works both ways.

This is so utterly patronising and disingenuous that I cant believe it's in good faith, so I'm pleased to hear you wont be saying it again

nightwakingmoon · 27/06/2022 18:23

placewherewebelong · 27/06/2022 18:22

Is there a reason yoire assuming I'm a woman?

Didn’t you actually say several times on the thread that you’re a woman?

placewherewebelong · 27/06/2022 18:24

Conflictedunicorn · 27/06/2022 18:22

To be fair people started asking that question long before 24.45 @place in fact, from rather early on in the evening, but you were more interested in being insulting and scolding people for mocking a ridiculous ideology.

Youte a little bit obsessed with me and my posts and movements. It's a bit inappropriate.

RogersOrganismicProcess · 27/06/2022 18:25

It's an age old tactic to ask questions and then pretend the only reason they havent answered it (cause youre so important) is that they cant, other than that it was 23 45 and I couldn't be arsed.

Psychoanalysts would call the above projection’ and ‘denial’.

placewherewebelong · 27/06/2022 18:26

Re the folk accusing me of derailing- my presence was higher because I say one sentence and five people quote it and demand responses as demonstrated.

Derailing is the new term for disrupting our echo chamber. Why anyone bothers posting anything when unless you have a certain opinion upire not welcome is beyond me.

placewherewebelong · 27/06/2022 18:27

RogersOrganismicProcess · 27/06/2022 18:25

It's an age old tactic to ask questions and then pretend the only reason they havent answered it (cause youre so important) is that they cant, other than that it was 23 45 and I couldn't be arsed.

Psychoanalysts would call the above projection’ and ‘denial’.

So would egotistical posters.

Conflictedunicorn · 27/06/2022 18:29

placewherewebelong · 27/06/2022 18:26

Re the folk accusing me of derailing- my presence was higher because I say one sentence and five people quote it and demand responses as demonstrated.

Derailing is the new term for disrupting our echo chamber. Why anyone bothers posting anything when unless you have a certain opinion upire not welcome is beyond me.

There was a lighthearted thread. You came in and scolded people. If you didn’t like the thread no one was making you read it. Just move on and find a thread you do like. Would you rather we were on Twitter issuing rape threats and death threats like the TRA, doxing people and hounding them because we don’t like their opinions?

nightwakingmoon · 27/06/2022 18:32

So, what about catpacigender or Otherkin or knifegender or beastgender, @placewherewebelong ? I didn’t make these up. Do you think they are “real” gender identities, or not? I’m really interested to know.

If they are, what is it that makes them the same as being trans? If they aren’t, why not?

Conflictedunicorn · 27/06/2022 18:34

I’m still interested in the trans race question @place? Any thoughts?

placewherewebelong · 27/06/2022 18:36

Conflictedunicorn · 27/06/2022 18:29

There was a lighthearted thread. You came in and scolded people. If you didn’t like the thread no one was making you read it. Just move on and find a thread you do like. Would you rather we were on Twitter issuing rape threats and death threats like the TRA, doxing people and hounding them because we don’t like their opinions?

But...at the risk of repeating myself...its not bloody lighthearted, is it.

placewherewebelong · 27/06/2022 18:39

Conflictedunicorn · 27/06/2022 18:34

I’m still interested in the trans race question @place? Any thoughts?

@nightwakingmoon

Neither of you are remotely interested in my opinions. At least other posters have the balls to say that I cant win with you night, whatever I say you argue with, if I say I dont necessarily agree with all gender identities you will accuse me of being not inclusive or whatever you did up thread, if I say I do, you will just argue with that aS will other posters. So what is the point?

I never actually gave am opinion on gender and trans, other than to actually agree with posters on certain issues, I only said about 520 pages ago that I sidnt like the gleeful and mean tone of some of the original posts . The fact this has turned into such a big deal shows how cliques and echo chamber Mn has become

Conflicted, it's funny that you are one of the ones accusing me of derailing, conflicted, yet are repeatedly pushing me on an issue that is a total derail.

Conflictedunicorn · 27/06/2022 18:40

placewherewebelong · 27/06/2022 18:36

But...at the risk of repeating myself...its not bloody lighthearted, is it.

The only person making it not light hearted is you @place. I’m sorry we are not doing what you want and that makes you sad, but you do know you don’t have to stay on this thread. No one does. We have the right to say what we wish within site guidelines and you have the right to reply or to ignore. I think people are miffed because you have scolded us, insulted people, called names and made ridiculous statements.

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