Fck it. Just going to identify as agender as a GC feminist.

[Metabigot]

I'm technically agender anyway as I choose to not believe in gender woo.

If males can infiltrate feminism by saying they're women I'm infiltrating transgendersism by identifying as agender.

If I'm asked my gender identity why shouldn't I say this, it's technically true according to stonewall.

Quite like the idea of being a double agent of sorts....

I identified today as gender non binary but started my period so I'm a bit confused now.

It IS my kid.

i am living it.

I am clever.

I am your friend. I am standing up for the truth and reality because good friends don’t let people do themselves harm.

if you don’t want to be my mate that’s fine. I won’t abandon you to your delusions.

I reserve the right to let off steam with jokes though.

it fascinated me that the gender enthusiasts have no humour at all. Almost as if it is symptomatic of something…

It’s not my theory, I read it in some psychology paper somewhere. Or maybe a podcast.

Pokémon characters all have one expression and one emotion. So you can line them up and understand how they evolve and when they appear you know what is going to happen to the story. Or “story”.

it caught my interest, because it fits what’s going on in my house at the moment.

@placewherewebelong yep. So does this non binary woman: www.teenvogue.com/story/9-things-people-get-wrong-about-being-non-binary/amp

That's the problem with these labels - they mean different things to different people, which is precisely what makes them so ridiculous. Again, HTH.

But just because that's your way of dealing with it doesnt give you the right to take the piss put of other people does it.

The kindest thing to say to these kids would be, "You cannot change your sex, no matter what damage you do to your body. Your identity is yours alone. It has nothing to do with whether you are a man or a woman. It is what we used to call having a personality. You can like whatever you like, dress however you want. But you shouldn't need other people's validation. They don't need to care about your identity any more than they need to care about your favourite colour or your star sign. You're not actually that important to the rest of society. Now stop navel gazing and go and do something more productive with your time. Because if your entire generation think of nothing but their identities, it's going to be a generation which produces no great art or music, no major scientific breakthroughs, and achieves nothing of any note."

But just because that's your way of dealing with it doesnt give you the right to take the piss put of other people does it.

Well fuck me, if that was true, that would put A LOT of comedians out of business wouldn't it?

You are fooling no one with being obtuse.

You know fine well non binary attached to a gender is unusual and not something I would agree with.

And by leading me to that view you think it somehow traps me into admitting the whole thing is a farce, as if the whole thing is either for or against, which you know fine well it isnt.

@placewherewebelong it's not unusual. I'm not being obtuse, and non binary labels mean different things to different people which is why the term is a nonsense. Or are you arguing that this person's experience isn't accurate or valid? Maybe they're not the 'right' kind of non binary to you? Sounds pretty narrow minded and bigoted to me. If someone says they're a non binary woman, who are you to tell them they're not?

But this is just the most self-indulgent, narcissistic load of claptrap, and that is why I take the piss out of "non binary".

Nonbinary sex educator and therapist Aida Manduley, MSW defines a nonbinary person as "someone who does not identify as a man or a woman, or solely as one of those two genders."

I don't believe that man and woman are genders, I believe they are sexes.

Gender is regressive.

That definition’s pretty broad because being nonbinary means different things to different people. To me, it means that I reject the whole concept of gender.

No you don't.

If you did, you would be a gender critical feminist and you would use the word "woman" to mean "adult human female".

Your entire identity depends on the legitimacy of gender.

I personally identify as a nonbinary woman because, to me, this identity acknowledges both that I don’t have an innate identification with any gender and that I’ve been socialized as a woman.

Yeah, I think an awful lot of women feel this way.

The difference is we don't feel the need to give ourselves a special label to suggest that we are the only ones who feel this way, and that everyone who uses the label "woman" "has an innate identification with a gender".

This whole article boils down to "I believe I am far more interesting than is actually the case".

It's regressive, and insulting, and characterises the rest of us as boring conformists just because we don't feel the need to give ourselves a special identity and force the rest of the world to take an interest in it.

This is exactly what I mean by you being obtuse, by trying to twist my words and play a weird game where you try and make out I'm the ignorant one.

You are known for it across these boards and I'm not going to be silly enough to engage furhter

"Insert tedious post here about hahah it must be because we are right and you are wrong"

You really need to think about what you are doing in your life if this is how you get your kicks.

Oh i dunno, Place, I think it's very important to be able to take the piss out of things we find ridiculous. Consider it therapy. It's therapeutic to find humour in even the darkest of times.

I think its quite regressive and insulting and arrogant that you are literally denying someone else's existence and identity.

I think its quite regressive and insulting and arrogant that you are literally denying someone else's existence and identity.

Oh the irony!

But just because that's your way of dealing with it doesnt give you the right to take the piss put of other people does it.

Yes it does, it's a free country, and thankfully we all have freedom of speech. There is no longer the offence of blasphemy, we can mock god, or other sacrosanct beliefs like gender identity ideology.

Oh i dunno, Place, I think it's very important to be able to take the piss out of things we find ridiculous. Consider it therapy. It's therapeutic to find humour in even the darkest of times.

I completely agree.

The whole thing is a farce.

True there is something real behind it in many cases. Whatever that is is what needs acknowledgment, attention and maybe even that dreaded word “validation”. We do our children a massive disservice if we don’t help them to grow up able to tell fact from fiction, and able to understand and process their emotions in a healthy way. Hiding behind fantasies and delusions is simply sweeping the real issues under the carpet and leaving them there to fester.

Letting off steam with laughter is healthy. We mothers of teenagers are faced with this oppressive authoritarian ideology in our homes daily. Making a joke of this thing which otherwise would have us on our knees in tears is a natural human response. It is how we mothers support one another in real life and online.

It's a shame that every thread is hijacked by the same two posters who use the same tactics - twist, gaslight and deliberately misunderstand. I'm sure theres a few people who find you utterly funny and wonderful, but in the real world, it only makes people respect you and your views even less.

My granny had a phrase she used a lot, "If you don't laugh, you'll cry".

If laughter is the therapeutic route chosen by those parents who are in the thick of it, who would choose to condemn them for it?

Oh look. Gaslighting has been thrown into the word soup now as well! Fantastic!

No, I wouldn't. In the same way I appreciate people use dark humour for things like death.

But gleeful posts such as im going to pretend im a pony, quoting stories from real people as a "gotcha", asking when you get your badge, is it really necessary? Grown women sitting around on the internet taking the piss out of people?

Candy, I'm going to explain it as if you didnt know.

I said I dont necessarily know if I agree with the concept of gender binary with sex attached, although I appreciate that thats their experience. I haven't murdered anyone. But to me, non binary is just that. I'm not discouting their experience though. IN the same way for example, I have friends who have a rule tha tthey cant have friends of the opposite sex. I don't personally agree with it, but I do listen to them, and hear that its their words, and dont take the piss out of them.

You got that story out to make your point, and when I said I didn't necessarily see it, you accused me of being bigoted and narrowminded, knowing fine wellt hats the opposite of what I said.

You are trying to accuse me of saying things I havent and having an agenda I havent. That is the very definition of gaslighting.

Funnily enough, if I called you a bigot I'd get a strike. Does eternal membership of MN and chasing anyone off your threads who doesn't buy into your gang keep you safe from the rules, then?

We are all just human. When I talk to people I just say "fellow human"

I'm not denying their existence.

They exist.

They are people, who are either male or female, like all other people.

I don't care about their identity. It's not interesting. It has nothing to do with me.

At best, demanding that everyone care about your personal identity is nothing more than narcissism. At worse, demanding that society be rearranged around gender identities forces everyone else into regressive little boxes based on sexist stereotypes.

@placewherewebelong I didn't accuse you of anything. What I was doing was pointing out that you saying 'non binary women' aren't a thing, is factually incorrect and by doing so, you are 'invalidating' another person's identity in exactly the same way that you are suggesting others are doing.

I don't have a 'gang' I'm not bullying you or anyone else but I find the constant insistence that the gazillion and growing gender identities are set in stone, when it's clear they are not, and are subsequently becoming less and less meaningful because they are based on individual feelings and interpretations.

I am amazed you can't see that.