What you all said was coming

[Pippinbird]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10947483/Anguish-young-man-sex-organs-removed-NHS-regretted-day-SUES-NHS

similar way to the vaginal mesh surgery that everyone though was a miracle fix but turned out to be a bad idea.

Vaginal mesh scandal spotlighted a number of things, not least of which was the unsuitability of the process for assessing the safety of items such as the meshes because the regulatory procedures differ to those for appraising other interventions such as drugs.

There are many moving parts to this case. When and if the details are made public, I wonder if there will be some interesting reflections in the notes that have been made available through SAR.

The Times have now pulled their article and Tullip has deactivated from Twitter.

It will only cost the NHS if they are found "guilty"

don't bite my head off, but has Tullip had breast implants?
I assume breast surgery would be done first, before 'bottom surgery'.

would the nhs have done this too?

I think the degree of public money lost this way might surprise people.

Clinical negligence costs: taking action to safeguard NHS sustainability
BMJ 2020; 368 doi: doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m552 (Published 02 March 2020)

The NHS paid £2.4bn (€2.8bn; $3.1bn) in clinical negligence claims in 2018-19, according to NHS Resolution (formerly the NHS Litigation Authority).1 This sum equates to about 2% of the entire budget for the NHS in England (roughly £115bn). But even these startling figures do not provide the full picture, since NHS Resolution also has to account for claims likely to be received in the future. Now standing at £83.4bn, the amount “set aside” for such claims is among the most substantial public sector financial liabilities faced by the UK government,2 second only to nuclear decommissioning (£131bn).3

The Public Accounts Committee has identified that a small number of high value claims, mostly related to maternity care, is a major contributor to these costs.4 Maternity accounted for 50% of the total value of claims received by NHS Resolution in 2018-19, though it represented only 10% of the total number of claims.1 The high cost of these claims arises because injury at birth (including brain injury) can have catastrophic effects over a lifetime.5

If the NHS is going to have to take into account lifetime costs for people who develop osteoporosis, substantial genito-urinary issues, and compensate them for the loss of fertility and the ability to form meaningful relationships with a sexual component, then I wonder if we might be looking at awards that are second only to birth injury costs.

Bit the surgery is probably one if the cheaper parts.

The nhs will still be left to pick up the tab with the emergencies that follow. The ambulances when they collapse with sepsis. The hospital stays amd emergency procedures, the follow up checks at the gp and the prescription adult nappies and anti bionics and rehabilitation etc

No. This is discussed in the Benjamin Boyce interview.

Interestingly, it was part of the dysphoria and the belief that higher doses of oestrogen would resolve many issues, that seems to have persuaded Tulip to want to 'home grow' (Tulip's phrase) breasts rather than have implants. And Tulip was averse to more surgical interventions.

Preparing for the action and defending it would be very costly. It would also take up a lot of clinical time if individual HCPs are named and have to provide depositions etc.

That list does it really say "What CAN happen?"

If that's what is says he has have stronger argument. Because really most of that stuff is what WILL happen. Can in my head means it might happen but unlikely. Loss of sexual function is more than a it might happen.

Bottom line, why is the NHS paying for people's bodies to have healthy bits removed.
The NHS is stretched enough without spending £££ on unnecessary operations.

I do hope he wins his case because the more people come out against this tide the quicker it will turn.

Gender reassignment surgery is not new a Miss Evans was doing this at our hospital decades ago. He was 23 when he heard about this 25 when they operated so not that young. It's sad and proves that many can be confused about their sexuality he was badly advised by so called experts so should sue but not for money but exposure of this murky shabby practice.

It's mutilation and should be acknowledged as such by surgeons

www.thefreelibrary.com/Viva+!%3A+She+gives+new+life+to+wheelchair-bound+kids%2C+helps...-a0100915515

Miss Evans a caring pioneer who didn't hold back

Gender reassignment surgery is not new a Miss Evans was doing this at our hospital decades ago.

Way back then, I gather that people who wanted SRS had to have extensive psychological assessment beforehand, 'live as the desired sex for 2 years' (setting aside what that means) and other such forms of gatekeeping.

Following representations that this was unnecessary gatekeeping, the adult model has shifted to affirmation in the context of adequate capacity to consent (for whatever that means for an assessment of somebody's mental health and the assessment of gender dysphoria that can be alleviated through various measures).

What happened? None of the links are working?

Times says that the article has been removed, no explanation.

Tullip has reactia his Twitter and says he asked them to take it down:

twitter.com/tullipr/status/1540307782234152965?s=21&t=A1oh8j5FpFyo7JvdPyQX6g

“I asked them too, and they did it quickly.

They were reporting off the back of Daily Mail, which though has a few inaccuracies isn't terrible in the long run.

I also read the comments...you should never read the comments...

I hope he finds some peace. My heart breaks for him. I don't understand why some people empathise with Keira Bell, yet are so vitriolic about Tulip. No wonder people suffer in silence. I always think back to Julia Grant, lived nearly their whole life not admitting their surgery was a disaster, that they lost all sexual function, because they felt such shame. And as we've said for years the only way this will be resolved in some way is through the courts, money talks. Ask the victims of the vaginal mesh scandal.

It's arguable that any detransitioners who are going public right now need a media & comms strategy.

This came up in the Benjamin Boyce interview. Sinead Watson was very clear that she was in no way prepared for the tsunami of interest and contact after she went public. She doesn't regret her initial interview with Boyce but she now recognises that she wasn't really in the appropriate emotional or cognitive space to deal with all the attendant interest and cope with the early stages of the process of detransitioning at that time.

Watson said she'd been contacted by a number of MtF detransitioners who said that they felt that they should go public but couldn't. Tulip is one of the handful who has. It's an open question as to how to handle all of publicity and controversy as well as living with the detransition and the consequences of previous interventions.

Our tenant had the surgery decades ago as did another person we knew it was a slow careful process as you said taken slowly

I think the age difference is a big part of it. Keira was a child.

My concern is that anyone who has transitioned and detransitioned is a vulnerable person with various mental health issues.

The lawsuits need to happen, but it will take extraordinary mental resilience and fortitude. I am worried that a lot of detransitioners won't feel up to the task or may find it too difficult when things get going. Still, Keira Bell seems to have coped, so there is hope.

The NHS doesn't remove any other healty body parts upon request, so wtf do they remove genitals? It's absurd and obscene.

Sueing the NHS won't give this poor sod his body back, but if it makes the NHS rethink their approach to these surgeries that's a win for everyone and a large part of what we're all fighting for.

It's sad to think that they came after him on twitter.

It's arguable that the same people who contrive to have women deplatformed on Twitter might overlap with those who are opposed to publicity for detransitioner testimonies and who might respond with unhelpful/unsupportive comments.

The DM comments were not very sympathetic towards Keira, iirc. In her case, the Judicial Review aspect went straight over their heads and they just saw her as someone who wanted to have her cake and eat it. Even though she had been so young - there was a lot of "you can't keep chopping and changing and blaming others", as well as general sighs of "why does the NHS spend money on this nonsense". Basically a baffled "world's gone mad" vibe. Really hope detransitioners can find the professional support they need when going public.