What you all said was coming

[Pippinbird]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10947483/Anguish-young-man-sex-organs-removed-NHS-regretted-day-SUES-NHS

Trans-regret has been a 'thing' for many years now. Dr James Caspian proposed undertaking research into it as so many cases were coming forward. His university refused to fund it because it was 'politically incorrect'.

The NHS, along with almost all our top institutions have been completely mind snatched by an extreme lobby, and innocent people are suffering terrible mutilation as a result. Not only that but they are then told to shut up and go away if they are unhappy

The fact that there is virtually no NHS provision of treatment for trans regret speaks volumes, the people who want to push this barbaric practice have so much influence but they must be a tiny group you just ask why?

Why does our 'government' (I mean that in a totally non-party political sense, ie all our institutions, civil service, NHS, universities etc) people who should be looking at the whole picture and asking difficult questions in order to protect the citizens of this country, just roll over and give in to them? Not only are they refusing to allow any criticism, but are standing by while those who are brave enough to stand up and fight are thrown to the dogs.

Here is a link to the Caspian story.

I say - "We cannot consent to this". Adult or child. Anyone who wants it, almost by definition shouldn't have it.

Quite.

The issue of consent is an interesting legal area. We insist, for example, that a 15-year old can't consent to sex, even if that 15-year old is a willing partner.

Similarly, people can't legally "consent" to being murdered or being harmed. There was a famous case several years ago in which a group of men were successfully prosecuted for participating in consensual sadomasochistic sex.

So in what sense can someone legally "consent" to having a perfectly healthy body part removed?

This.

Do they not do childhood circumcision on the NHS, or breast reduction surgery?

If a womans breasts are so large they leave her in constant pain and unable to function properly then it is medically indicated that a reduction nay ne beneficial.

As fir circumcision. Absolutely not. Baby boys should not have their penises surgically altered unless medically necessary

That was difficult to read and I’m sorry for the harm Tulip suffered and continued to struggle with.

This is what happens when ideology is allowed to interfere in medicine and psychology. WPATH creates guidance based on little evidence and written by a small number of people, some with a vested interest. It’s joined with ‘Inclusion’ and ‘Diversity’ in non clinical areas so that affirmation is presented as the evidence based route to treat people with Gender Dysphoria. It’s removed from classification as a mental disorder and any doctor or psychologist saying otherwise is open to accusations of transphobia and potential threats to their livelihood. pressure groups, for their own ends, push this further, threaten and coerce professional bodies to go further. Those afraid for their jobs or too apathetic or naive or too busy to look into it more say nothing and those in thrall to the ideology or keen to be seen as experimental trailblazers come to the fore and the narrative is pushed further.
Vulnerable people are swept up in it. Their unhappiness drives them to push for the thing they’re being sold as a cure all but really isn’t. They think they know what they want, what they’re told they need and anyone arguing against it or urging caution is transphobic, a bigot, and hates them. Maybe they’re told the risks and don’t care or don’t care to listen or consider it might be them. After all, everyone else who had it was fine so why not them? Or perhaps the surgeon so keen to try out new techniques or too afraid to be seen as critical minimises the risks. And it’s only afterwards that reality hits.

We don’t know what happened, how much Tulip pushed for surgery, was convinced of his dysphoria and this the only treatment. We don’t know if the surgeon sold him a pipe dream and minimised the risks. If gender dysphoria is no longer a mental illness then how can the patient have impaired capacity? I guess that will come out in court.

For me what is true is that ideology must never be allowed again to replace evidence when it comes to medical decisions.

And for those quick to judge either side you don’t know what it’s like if you’re not in it.

It isn’t a false dichotomy. I was born female with unevenly sized breasts which I find very distressing. The NHS regards this as cosmetic and won’t even them up. But they’re happy to put breasts on a male.

The 'reap what you sow' posters are really proving the point, in my opinion. As are the comments on the Daily Mail article.

Most people understand that cutting off a man's penis is utterly horrifying. It's their shock and fear talking.

"Of course cutting off a penis is going to have far-reaching implications, not just surgical, but emotional and mental".

You can hear the 'durs' from space.

It's extremely difficult for people to understand the ideology that leads a young man to want to cut off probably the most important part of his anatomy.

How many people can grasp that this man would have been told, year in year out, everywhere he turned, that he wasn't a man, and his body was wrong. And if he only changes his body, everything will be righted. Balance restored. Issues eliminated. To the point where cutting off his actual penis sounds not just sensible, but desirable.

Even the bloody NHS talks about his forthcoming vagina, clitoris and labia. He's never going to have a vagina, a clitoris, or any labia. Ever. It's not possible. They're lying.

People say he should have done his research. There are reams and reams of narratives online, all telling him it's the right decision.

A poster up thread used the word funnelling. And it's exactly that. He would been funnelled down a path to exactly this outcome. Everywhere he turned.

He regretted it immediately. Fucking immediately! Mentally, before he went onto the operating table, his mind was a total mess. Because as soon as he realised what he'd done, everything crystallised.

But.

The NHS, also believe all of this. They believe trans women are women. They talk about a mutilated penis being a vagina. They are complicit. They are captured across the board. And it needs a massive investigation.

The reason the below the line comments are blaming him is because they will not fully appreciate that the NHS were right behind him.

I bet none of them realise that the NHS deliberately denied a rape took place because the man who did it said he was a woman. I bet none of them realise that the NHS are trained to say there are no men on this ward, if those men tell them to.

It's quite a normal reaction to say what the fuck was he thinking. Because what the fuck are they all thinking

@TonTonMacoute do you happen to know what happened in the end (or maybe it is still ongoing? Google directed me to this being the most recent article (2021) where he was planning to go to European Court:

www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/02/09/james-caspian-transgender-trans-bath-spa-european-court-human-rights/

I remember Bath Spa Uni being all over the local news that summer.

It has always seemed very odd to me that the doctors and surgeons happily dole out drugs and surgery that is hard to reverse (long term outcomes unclear) with little apparent follow up with the individuals.

If a womans breasts are so large they leave her in constant pain and unable to function properly then it is medically indicated that a reduction nay ne beneficial.

Sadly it's nigh on impossible to get this done.

At 18 I as told my over large breasts were "an asset I should be proud of" by a male GP - yes, I did complain and got brushed off.

In my 40s I got some flannel about menopause.

In my 50s I get the horror stories about increased infection rates

Since I was 18 I have had back problems due to the size and weight of my breasts, and I now have a permanent postural stoop and gait issues, concomitant neck, hip and leg issues. All of which could have been most safely addressed when I was in my 20s, saving me a lifetime of pain and self image issues.

So no, I am not happy that any people are now being offered free cosmetic surgeries of all sorts. I was left in pain purely because I am female!

Well said, Datun.

It's still Incredible how many organisations, institutions and professionals have encouraged and celebrated pushing vulnerable men and women down this path, selling them a damaging lie because zealous activists told them to.

I think that there is so much that needs to be exposed here though.

People who are saying, he should have done research. Have you ever tried to find adverse information about breast binders on search engines such as google?

And if the community around you is fully trusted, and you cannot ever imagine that this 'family' would cause you harm, even inadvertently, why would you search outside your 'family'? Remember, to a vulnerable person anything outside the bubble is unsafe.

I can fully believe a vulnerable man of 25 would be able to do this. He may have even had tips on how to convince clinicians as the children are being given these tips. Why would there not be the same advice given for young adult?

Yes they are quite happy to say no to women even with physically obvious results that procedures would medically solve/improve /help.

Given that the medical requirements for gender dysphoria dx are all centred around the body being wrong and sexist stereotypes, which of course the lobby groups training the nhs say being trans is not about stereotypes or the wrong body, no one can actually define what it is they are actually treating or explain why this barbaric irreversible disabling surgery will help the situation. It simply shouldn't be allowed. Even privately.

I know religious shouldn’t be done on the NHS, but a quick search suggests that it is, as is cosmetic breast surgery (both augmentation and reduction) for psychological reasons.

Excellent post, Datun. Wish we could pin it somewhere for all to see!

What @Datun said with bloody great brass bells on

the NHS has been entirely captured by an ideology that tells men like tulip that surgery is the answer. An ideology that says even to question motivation or explore other possible reasons for unhappiness is “transphobic” and “conversion therapy”. The NHS needs a whacking good kick up the arse for how they’ve allowed themselves to be captured

It is a shame that it is the institution that is being sued and not the human decision-makers.

@Madcats

I believe his request to be heard in the ECHR was refused, so everyone is still in the dark.

@Datun

You are absolutely right.

Its just like a cult - actually it is a cult.

Cults are extremely skilled and adept at brainwashing and manipulating people, including vast swathes of government and the NHS, and this is what is happening.

I don't blame Tulip at all, my heart bleeds for them. They are a victim of GBH of the worst sort and someone should go to jail for what they did.

TonTonMacoute

I would copy your post, in order to rewrite it after it's deleted. You're not allowed to use the word cult.

ironically

Datun sums it up beautifully.

Just to clarify my ‘you reap what you sow’ comment is firmly directed at the NHS, they bought it on themselves

Very good post datun

Of all the captured institutions, the NHS is most culpable because this should be their area of expertise and yet they’ve allowed themselves to be bamboozled by snake oil salesmen. If they had stood up for proper, evidenced medicine it would have given other institutions the tools and courage to stand firm too.