Transwomen are really upset by HRT shortages

[Smileandactlikeitsfine]

It makes their moods all over the place.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/hrt-crisis-impact-on-trans-community_uk_627bbc19e4b009a811cc19f3/

I mean us perimenopausal women take hrt for few other essential functions as well, but just as long as your moods are even mate.

the rate of self harm is the same among people with gender dysphoria who medically transition and those who don't. Medical transition doesn't prevent suicide.
Now consider the amount of Transgender people that suffer abuse and discrimination after transition, are restricted access to the basic facilities that they need and have to confront their parents and friends about the change. Also consider the amount of Cisgendered people who look down upon dating a Trans Man or Woman and the loneliness that can come with that.

If you want to see the suicide rate drop after a Trans Person transitions work towards making a better society not tearing it down for those who don't have the power in numbers to speak up against injustice

I’ll have some cake @SpindleForTheWorld it’ll be far more useful than pigeon chess!

What is that meant to mean

I don't think it's particularly hard to see what it means. You have acknowledged some of the clashes of rights yourself in this thread.

Also consider the amount of Cisgendered people who look down upon dating a Trans Man or Woman

Due to their own sexual orientation. It's not "looking down" for a lesbian to reject a male person.

Look up Gender Dysphoria in the DSM, it is not a mental health condition

Great! Then it doesn't need any treatment then. Glad we've cleared that up

Excellent idea. Take it to the trans forums, see how they like it.

I'm not stupid I know they will be against it but i'm also pretty sure if everyone agreed to use the correct pronouns and treat Transgender People like People they would be fine to cover such a formality.

The issue is that's only possible in a utopian society at the moment and to promise such a thing is laughable in the current state we are in.

Exactly. I'm straight and wouldn't date a trans man, because they're a woman. I don't want to date a woman. I want to date a man.

Yes but statistically lesbians are more accepting of dating a Trans Women anyway, Bisexuals and other queer people being the most accepting.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/07/16/where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights

You can't change sexual preference, if you don't want to date a Trans Woman as a Lesbian then don't.

When it comes to sexuality it doesn't mean that a person is immune to internalised Racism or Transphobia though.

Well I for one can’t wait to see the ID cards for transpeople concept all over Twitter as proof of MNs transphobia.

As I said before it wont work anyway because there is no guarantee that even after supplying the cards a Transgender person wont face the same exact discrimination as before and i'm almost certain MumsNet still wont allow them to access the basic facilities they need such as the Womens toilet

www.mumsnet.com/talk/menopause

These are the women I'm deeply concerned about. Sitting in one's tree as a pigeon generally does, perhaps one is in too distant a position to see or hear the suffering being experienced by women, even by those who can actually get their HRT.

Or perhaps one simply doesn't give a shit.

When it comes to sexuality it doesn't mean that a person is immune to internalised Racism or Transphobia though.

It means that it's homophobic to insist that gay and lesbian people have to consider people of the opposite sex.

But why are you focusing attention on Trans Women who take up less than a 1.5% share total Estrogen usage when you could be campaigning for better healthcare, more paid sick leave, better mental health care. It's a waste of time

These are the women I'm deeply concerned about. Sitting in one's tree as a pigeon generally does, perhaps one is in too distant a position to see or hear the suffering being experienced by women, even by those who can actually get their HRT.

Or perhaps one simply doesn't give a shit.

Not very stunning, sparkly or transgressive, are they? Why would anyone care about boring middle aged women.

Why is the attention not focused on making sure HRT supplies never get to the same level as they have now. Shouldn't there be a greater effort in campaigning for the government to give a shit about Women's Health instead of targeting a small group of people in an echo chamber of your own making

Ah Eresh we know that ageism is totally fine with the beeee kiiind crew

WTAF are you saying?

break it down for me.

because it reads like you’re asserting that internalised transphobia is the reason I haven’t ever dated a women with a radical mastectomy and phalloplasty, or even a woman who is delusional and thinks she is a bloke.

of course that can’t be right. The reason I haven’t ever dated a woman who has had body parts removed and stuck on is twofold:

1. this is a trend - in the last 30 yrs there were v few trans people and certainly almost none who aimed for surgery or to ‘pass’. There were no unicorn haired randoms to date!! I mean, Most city centre pubs had a bloke who was a regular and liked to wear a frock. We were kind to him as he was non threatening and always served his drink in a big glass to make his hands look small. But that was about as far as it went. Where have these blokes gone?
2. straight people don’t date people who are the same sex as them.

I mean it’s almost as if men can’t hear the massive campaigning that’s been going on intensively for the last few years around womens health including the huge consultation last year that has resulted in the announcement of a woman’s health strategy later this year, one of the main foci of which will be the menopause.

but then I guess if you’re not a woman it’s just so much white noise….

I mean I can tell you myself that I was apprehensive towards dating a Trans Person up until a couple of years back. I was Transphobic and I treated Trans people as less then until I met a Trans Friend and she changed my opinion entirely.

Just talk to other Trans People, it's not hard. You will realise they are just people and should be treated with respect and dignity

in the last 30 yrs there were v few trans people and certainly almost none who aimed for surgery or to ‘pass’
Yes because it's only until recently that people have been more accepting towards Trans People. It's no different to when LGBT people where discriminated against and if it follows the same trend then hopefully Transgender people can be properly recognised within the next 20 years

I mean I can tell you myself that I was apprehensive towards dating a Trans Person up until a couple of years back.

That's you, this pp is not going to date someone who doesn't align with her sexual orientation (straight). No amount of talking will change that, and it's not anyone else's business.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/menopause

Here are the voices I'm listening to. Deeply distressed, confused women. Frightened women.

Ignored women.

Coo-coo-cooooooooooo

Great for you. I wouldn't date a trans person as I am straight. So I wouldn't date a woman. I also wouldn't date a man who dresses as a woman. It's my sexuality and that should be respected.