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Transwomen are really upset by HRT shortages

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Smileandactlikeitsfine · 04/06/2022 00:05

It makes their moods all over the place.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/hrt-crisis-impact-on-trans-community_uk_627bbc19e4b009a811cc19f3/

I mean us perimenopausal women take hrt for few other essential functions as well, but just as long as your moods are even mate.

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Deliriumoftheendless · 05/06/2022 08:27

Look up Ed Gein if you want to know about Psycho.

tbf Ed Gein was worse than Norman Bates.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 05/06/2022 08:29

Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 05/06/2022 08:15

Bleeding nora are you still here?

mumsnet is not your actual mum, we don’t have to listen to or agree with you

women of the biological cunty kind should always take priority over men when it comes to HRT. That includes women who call themselves transmen who need topical oestrogen for the severe vaginal atrophy induced by the drugs they take.

I'm guessing no one else wants to listen. Understandably so. Maybe soon they'll go and do something else instead of trying to force their views upon others.

SpindleForTheWorld · 05/06/2022 08:33

Maybe we're supposed to know where their good tee-shirt is, you know, the one they always wear on Sundays.

slowpoke5001 · 05/06/2022 08:37

Waitwhat23 · 05/06/2022 08:26

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

There is a determined effort by various individuals and organisations to deny that any sort of conflict of rights occurs when women's existing rights (such as single sex spaces) are eroded. My own First Minister dismisses women's concerns as 'not valid' despite evidence. There's no attempt to acknowledge any conflicts and come to a middle ground or reasonable resolution, just an instant dismissal.

'Do you really think that Trans Women's voices are heard?' I really think you need to read more around the silencing effect, the Denton report and the various recent court cases.

I'll take a longer look later today but the 2nd article with links to additional sources, the vast majority of these sources involve Prisons and Women's refuges, Homeless Shelters. These are places Men crossdress and pretend to be Trans. They are not Transgender Women.

A lot of the articles don't even correlate to Transgender Women such as this article www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html which states an issue with Unisex changing rooms but doesn't hold any correlation to Trans Women other than the fact that you assume a Trans Women must be a Man so must therefore be lumped into these statistics

Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 05/06/2022 08:41

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slowpoke5001 · 05/06/2022 08:43

Other posts are of Pedophiles. It makes sense that a man would want to dress and act like a woman because women are typically seen as less threatening. I repeat these are not Trans Women they are Pedophiles. Anyone can be a Pedophile. Women can be pedophiles.

Waitwhat23 · 05/06/2022 08:45

I give up. I really have tried.

slowpoke5001 · 05/06/2022 08:45

In-fact please just read through some of these articles and find one single post that correlates an actual Trans Women (not a crossdresser), not a pedophile to an assault in a public bathroom

slowpoke5001 · 05/06/2022 08:47

If you can find one single post i'll shut up put it that way

Deliriumoftheendless · 05/06/2022 08:47

I don’t understand why you keep separating “cross dressing men” from (bio male) transsexuals.

Stonewall- the largest LGBT charity in the U.K. puts cross dressers under the trans umbrella.

this has not come from feminists, or Mumsnet, this is the biggest LGBT charity- who train the police, the NHS, schools on trans issues.

slowpoke5001 · 05/06/2022 08:53

Deliriumoftheendless · 05/06/2022 08:47

I don’t understand why you keep separating “cross dressing men” from (bio male) transsexuals.

Stonewall- the largest LGBT charity in the U.K. puts cross dressers under the trans umbrella.

this has not come from feminists, or Mumsnet, this is the biggest LGBT charity- who train the police, the NHS, schools on trans issues.

No not all crossdressers are Trans, in-fact the majority are not. Sure if you're about to go to prison as a Male why wouldn't you identify as a Trans Women, if you've sexually assaulted someone your already the scum of the earth

slowpoke5001 · 05/06/2022 08:56

That's why I understand the idea of self identification to be stupid in these kind of scenarios

SpindleForTheWorld · 05/06/2022 08:58

And they say there isn't a clash of rights ...

slowpoke5001 · 05/06/2022 08:59

SpindleForTheWorld · 05/06/2022 08:58

And they say there isn't a clash of rights ...

? What is that meant to mean

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/06/2022 09:02

No not all crossdressers are Trans, in-fact the majority are not.

It doesn't matter what you and your friends think the definition should be, policy makers include cross dressers. That is an issue for women and girls.

SpindleForTheWorld · 05/06/2022 09:02

Waitwhat23 · 05/06/2022 08:45

I give up. I really have tried.

Cake?

axolotlfloof · 05/06/2022 09:03

slowpoke5001 · 05/06/2022 07:40

Google the first article you can on Transgender suicide rates and compare it to the average suicide rate for Women. It will be at least x10 higher.

I'd also like to ask where you got the 80% from since you feel like including a source isn't important.
Not that I was even talking about the genitals I was referring to HRT treatment which is completely separate and is also a "medical" treatment.

The rate of suicide for trans people compared to the general population could be higher because they have a mental health condition - gender dysphoria.
That is not something you can blame on "rights hoarding dinosaurs".
I don't have the study to link to but the rate of self harm is the same among people with gender dysphoria who medically transition and those who don't. Medical transition doesn't prevent suicide.

legalseagull · 05/06/2022 09:04

What an unpleasant thread.

They're allowed to be upset that it's harder to get their prescribed medications.

I really don't know why all the vitriol about this. There's no need for comments like "fuck em".

I'm gender critical but this is uncalled for hatred.

Uutuni · 05/06/2022 09:05

Females need to be prioritised for HRT obviously.

eRgarding the me-rail to try and change the topic of this thread and how horrendous mumsnet is. It's always men coming on here, I never see that energy given to men dominated forums and the absolute horrendous shit that goes on in some of them.

Were allowed to discuss our sex based rights, issues to do with our sex, no matter how much men don't want us to and you don't get to derail and stamp your feet on the floor and stop that.

legalseagull · 05/06/2022 09:05

slowpoke5001 · 04/06/2022 17:31

You wouldn't deny someone with depression access to drugs that could potentially help them so why is this any different. Not to mention the effects of coming off HRT for Trans Women can be horrific

This

slowpoke5001 · 05/06/2022 09:06

I mean has this community ever considered a different approach other than just flat out denying Trans Women any kind of status at all.

I know some Trans people would be against this for obvious reasons but what about Transgender ID cards so you could identify a Trans Women at the door to a venue and reject opportunistic predators.
This would also work for the countless number of opportunistic Prisoners and provide a better statistic of how many "Trans Women" are simply crossdressers in disguise.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/06/2022 09:07

if you search Transgender in google right now try and find one positive post about Transgender people right now within 5 minutes.

I don't know what doomscrolling you've been doing to affect the algorithm on your devices because I've just done this, as a gender critical feminist, and they are 100% just definitions and positivity on the first page.

slowpoke5001 · 05/06/2022 09:07

axolotlfloof · 05/06/2022 09:03

The rate of suicide for trans people compared to the general population could be higher because they have a mental health condition - gender dysphoria.
That is not something you can blame on "rights hoarding dinosaurs".
I don't have the study to link to but the rate of self harm is the same among people with gender dysphoria who medically transition and those who don't. Medical transition doesn't prevent suicide.

Look up Gender Dysphoria in the DSM, it is not a mental health condition

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 05/06/2022 09:08

legalseagull · 05/06/2022 09:04

What an unpleasant thread.

They're allowed to be upset that it's harder to get their prescribed medications.

I really don't know why all the vitriol about this. There's no need for comments like "fuck em".

I'm gender critical but this is uncalled for hatred.

They need to understand why women come first for the medication. Because it's due to reasons they did not choose nor can control. Be upset sure, but be understanding as to the reason. There should never come a time where a man is a higher priority than a female for female hormones.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/06/2022 09:09

I know some Trans people would be against this for obvious reasons but what about Transgender ID cards so you could identify a Trans Women at the door to a venue and reject opportunistic predators.

Yes, why not try that suggestion out on a trans forum and get some feedback? I'm sure they'll be pleased to hear from a staunch ally.