Transwomen are really upset by HRT shortages

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It makes their moods all over the place.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/hrt-crisis-impact-on-trans-community_uk_627bbc19e4b009a811cc19f3/

I mean us perimenopausal women take hrt for few other essential functions as well, but just as long as your moods are even mate.

They are women.

Bringing intersex people into a discussion about trans rights is offensive.
Intersex people have asked repeatedly for that not to happen. Intersex people also have a sex class, but it's not relevant to this discussion.
Dividing by sex class is simple. A toddler can do it (recognise sex).
Stop trying to complicate it.
It's interesting how all these Trans Rights Activists are only really focused on the rights of people of the male sex class.
Almost like it's a misogynistic movement...

It would be nice if you could actually explain why it's offensive.

I'm focused on Trans Women for this post because the post is in relation to a shortage of HRT which is specific issue for Trans Women, not Men.

I also don't know any Trans Men personally so I cannot comment on there experience.

I don't hate trans people, I just don't agree that they can change sex. I don't agree they should be in womens safe spaces. That's not hate. That's protecting women and womens rights, which are not trans rights.

Just put yourself in a Trans Woman's shoes for a minute. If I called you a man regardless of how you appear outwardly and told you that you are not allowed to use the Womens Bathroom even though you know everyone would question you for entering the males bathroom how would you feel.

If I told you that i'm taking away HRT for menopause treatment to give to a Transgender Patient how would you feel.

*Just put yourself in a Trans Woman's shoes for a minute. If I called you a man regardless of how you appear outwardly and told you that you are not allowed to use the Womens Bathroom even though you know everyone would question you for entering the males bathroom how would you feel.

If I told you that i'm taking away HRT for menopause treatment to give to a Transgender Patient how would you feel*.

That's their choice. They don't have a right to be in womens safe spaces. I'm about protecting women rather than be worried about hurting a man's feelings. Women have a right to HRT as it's needed for reasons that are not choices. So yes they should be the priority.

Just put yourself in a Trans Woman's shoes for a minute

No thanks. I can’t do that; just as they can’t occupy mine.

What a silly proposition.

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It isn't always. Not all Trans Women but certainly some can reach a point where the options they have are transition medically or commit suicide. Contrapoints talks about this experience where her Gender Dysphoria was so bad that those where the options she could consider. Very few people actually want to transition because they know the hatred and discrimination that will follow, they have to for there own mental and physical health

Similarly my friend who came off HRT after her mum convinced her that she didn't need it. She had a similar reaction and planned out her suicide attempt.
Luckily nothing happened but she is in the same place now whereby she is being denied HRT due to the current shortages.

When you couple this with the fact that even after transitioning Trans Women face this kind of discrimination whereby they are denied basic facilities and healthcare and aren't recognised by there own family and friends you have to wonder at what point is this not hatred

80% of transwomen keep their penis. What do you mean by medically transition? What are the stats on suicide? I see that bandied about a lot but there's never any evidence.

It's interesting as well that certain countries such as Thailand have a much larger proportion of Ladyboys "Trans Women" because culturally they are more accepting.

Google the first article you can on Transgender suicide rates and compare it to the average suicide rate for Women. It will be at least x10 higher.

I'd also like to ask where you got the 80% from since you feel like including a source isn't important.
Not that I was even talking about the genitals I was referring to HRT treatment which is completely separate and is also a "medical" treatment.

If you really want to get into genital reconstruction surgery though it's very rarely offered by the NHS and the cost is £27000 at the London Transgender Clinic for a Penile Scrotal Flat Technique which is considered one of the cheaper options for Transgender Women.

www.thelondontransgenderclinic.uk/price-list/

Not to mention there is a high chance of complications with this type of surgery which might explain why as you say 80% of Transgender Women keep there penis.

Now you could say that making this type of surgery freely available through the NHS to all Transgender Women would benefit everyone as it's less Transgender Women with a penis which apparently according to this thread is a bad thing even though it really wouldn't have that large of an affect because as I said before a man crossdressing as a women and self identifying as Trans is not a Trans Woman.
I guess money shouldn't be put towards such treatments though so we will have to live with more Trans Women with penises

Please think for a minute. I talked earlier about how my own Government is institutionally captured and that there are consequences for women discussing mere concerns about this issue. No debate and no platforming have been accepted unquestionally by Universities (Kathleen Stock, University of Essex, University of Edinburgh to name a few). In Scotland, our Government have banned protests outside Parliament but crucially, only those they disagree with. Women have and are being prosecuted or have lost their jobs as a result of merely talking about their concerns.

This is one of the few places where women can talk about their concerns, albeit while being under constant attack from the activists who monitor, screenshot and mass report any post they dislike, however innocuous (I once had a post deleted for using a word which describes the top of a mountain). This particular board is also subject to another level of guidelines, above what is expected on the rest of the site which means that the posters have to resort to linguistic gymnastics in order to avoid deletion.

The nature of the institutional capture means that some people/organisations do not want women to have a platform to talk about their concerns which is why this site is so constantly attacked.

You seem to see constant hate on here and not the concerns women have. If you genuinely are interested in understanding and aren't just here to tell women off, please check out the 'break it down for me' thread or the 'it never happens' thread on here.

Or we could just all take away HRT supplies from Trans Women and increase the suicide rate, i guess that solves the same problem right

I'm sorry for getting emotional but if all HRT went towards women my friend likely wouldn't be alive today

Female hormones when taken by men are not HRT. Please stop using that term - it's offensive.

Couldn't agree more.

There's a whole raft of offensive terms being used by this poster. Very illuminating. Very arrogant. Very entitled.

I'm happy to look at these threads. I don't know where they are though, they don't appear for me, maybe my browsers broke or something.

I see constant hate in this specific thread on this specific website. I support Feminism but there are multiple types of Feminism and this simply isn't one I can support willingly.
Consider that Trans Women have even less of a voice, and only until recently have they gained any kind of recognition which is being stripped away from them as you actively campaign against it.

Do you really think that Trans Women's voices are heard? No one gives a shit. They are depicted terribly in the media, heck the first proper horror film Psycho involved a male murdered that crossdressed as a women and if you search Transgender in google right now try and find one positive post about Transgender people right now within 5 minutes.
Tell me that is not hatred

Bleeding nora are you still here?

mumsnet is not your actual mum, we don’t have to listen to or agree with you

women of the biological cunty kind should always take priority over men when it comes to HRT. That includes women who call themselves transmen who need topical oestrogen for the severe vaginal atrophy induced by the drugs they take.

You could honestly argue that most pets have a better existence, they are free to go outside without fear of being assaulted. They can urinate wherever they like. They are usually loved un-conditionally and most people are not afraid of them.

but according to this forum Transmen are Women so you don't support equal rights for all Women

You're not making any sense now

What new term is going to become offensive, first it was Cis and now this.
If you look up a term in the oxford dictionary it will tell you if it is offensive, neither of these terms are in any context

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

There is a determined effort by various individuals and organisations to deny that any sort of conflict of rights occurs when women's existing rights (such as single sex spaces) are eroded. My own First Minister dismisses women's concerns as 'not valid' despite evidence. There's no attempt to acknowledge any conflicts and come to a middle ground or reasonable resolution, just an instant dismissal.

'Do you really think that Trans Women's voices are heard?' I really think you need to read more around the silencing effect, the Denton report and the various recent court cases.