Transwomen are really upset by HRT shortages

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It makes their moods all over the place.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/hrt-crisis-impact-on-trans-community_uk_627bbc19e4b009a811cc19f3/

I mean us perimenopausal women take hrt for few other essential functions as well, but just as long as your moods are even mate.

Not all men are derogatory to women, in fact of all the ones I know, none are.

You can be you without having to label yourself. You can be male and dress however you like. You can prefer women’s company and still be a man. There is no need to box yourself.

Honestly, I don’t think it’s labelling yourself you need, it sounds as though your childhood has played with your mind and trying to disassociate with being male based on your first hand experience of males isn’t necessarily the answer.

Very few men are derogatory to a women in person, it is always when talking to other men. I could understand if it was just stating smaller issues that they have with each other. For e.g. my girlfriend obsesses over F1, it drives me mad but usually it's something like "i'd never date a beached whale". Not always as vulgar but often harbouring a deep resentment.

You can be you without having to label yourself. You can be male and dress however you like. You can prefer women’s company and still be a man. There is no need to box yourself.
I would say this if I didn't hate being called a man but I do unfortunately. It's not something I want because it invites a whole new category of people that will hate me for it. You may be right about wanting to dissociate with being a male but I want to dissociate I fucking hate being a man much like many Trans Women hate being a man. I hate everything associated with being a man from Toxic Masculinity to the fact I have to appear dominant and confident in every situation to appear even slightly attractive or desirable.

I hate that if I dress androgynous people ask if i'm a man and they instantly become disgusted by the fact.

I hate that i'm immediately assumed to be gay if I dress androgynous, I hate that even in LGBT spaces i'm not accepted because in there eyes I am a cisgendered white man and I have nothing to offer even though i've been through a lot of the same abuse and bullying due to the way I present.

That's why it's important to distinguish between Gender and Sex. A Trans Woman who is called a Man and has to use the same facilities as Men will live a miserable life

I’m sorry you’ve felt like an outsider in many situations. You don’t have to ‘appear dominant and confident’ to appear desirable or attractive that is you putting that on yourself, but I get that’s what is expected by some ignorant people. Clearly your girlfriend didn’t think that way.

You are at an age where you care a lot about what others think of you and just want to fit in somewhere. I understand that. It might be helpful to speak to someone about how you feel and to help come to terms with some things from your past. Also to find some friends who aren’t going to judge you on such superficial things.

No one should feel so low. I wish you well.

Imagine your're told all the characteristics that are associated with both the male and female sexes and that they are the only 2 genders. You can't have anything in-between. All of the baggage that comes with that gender stereotype is shifted onto your shoulders and you will never escape it.

You might go against the norm or try to change it but that stereotype will always prevail no matter what you do.

Now in a perfect utopian world there aren't any assumptions made. in-fact the only thing that you have to declare are your sex characteristics, how would you feel about this? because this is what you describe when you label Trans Women as Men. You are erasing any small sense of identity they have and completely destroying it.

You're right yes. I'm incredibly lucky to find a girlfriend who is so understanding and i'm grateful for it.
I've also mentioned to my girlfriend I may be non-binary and she has been accepting of that. Granted it's not as big of a change as undergoing hormone therapy but it is a change nonetheless.

Thank you for the kind words. I wish you the best as well, you may be right about caring about what others think but it is very difficult to escape that especially when i'm constantly moving between cities and apartments

I do have a genuine question question though and this isn't in direct opposition to anyone else but if someone decided they where Trans Feminine and went through HRT therapy but insisted you called them They/Them instead of

She/Her and used the same facilities as a Man would it matter as much? I'm guessing it wouldn't which is an interesting point

Who knows you might learn something as well

Perhaps you need to learn when to correctly use:

there/their/they're
and
your/you're

I have lost count the number of posts in this thread when you've made these errors, but it's an alarming amount.

Please educate yourself.

I barely passed English, why do you think I took Electronics. Simply replying to these posts without sounding like a complete idiot has been hard enough

I should really know better with They're and You're though, that's my bad 😂

Your mansplaining was spotted immediately and was a dead giveaway of the type of idiot you are.

You are a classic example of what females have to put up with - you are neither female nor transwoman, yet you felt entitled enough to post continuously in a thread that does not concern you.

This is what male entitlement looks like.

I'm only responding frequently because I keep getting direct replies to the posts. I didn't intend to continue. It happened. There is also nobody else in opposition to your opinion so either I reply or the thread becomes an echo chamber.

The amount of condescending replies i've received as well, I really don't see how you have any ground for criticising me considering how patronising so much of the community has been.

I am non binary, and though i'm not a Trans Woman I have a friend who is a Trans Woman and she has told me a lot about her own experience, I use that. I don't see why there should be any objections to that.

and yes it does concern me greatly. My friend was denied HRT treatment last month and put onto alternatives which she is struggling with.

She considered committing suicide last time she came off HRT so yes I am very worried for her

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I know a woman who's suffering through menopause and is on HRT. She also has a child who is a transwoman using estrogen (higher does than she is on). She's always warned her child not to use hormones as child is male...but young adults seem to think they know more than their mothers. I don't know if she's dealing w/ shortages of HRT, but I can't help wonder how she feels about the child she birthed and cared for potentially using up her menopause medication.

Do you know how much estrogen is used for treating either @Delphinium20? Just curious, I can understand as well if the amount of estrogen used by Trans Women is relatively a lot higher that it would have a greater impact.

Comparing figures it seems the dosage of Oestrogel which is whats in short supply and contains the compound Estradiol is about 1.5mg when starting out and can be further increased to 3mg

www.medicines.org.uk/emc/product/353/smpc#gref

Equivalently the amount given initially for Trans patients is about 2-4mg per day with a maximum of 8mg.

transcare.ucsf.edu/guidelines/feminizing-hormone-therapy

So if you take the worst case scenario and assume all Trans Women are using 8mg of Estradiol a day and all Women are using 1.5mg of then you scale the figure before of 0.3% you get 1.5% which is slightly above 1% but is still not a direct contributor to the issue

Bad wording of "still not a direct contributor" but it doesn't have as big an effect as most people assume on the Oestrogel supply which is probably why the Daily Mail never actually quoted these figures

I didn't realise how infamous this section of mums net had become. I think I understand why I have had so much backlash

www.huckmag.com/perspectives/opinion-perspectives/mumsnet-transphobia-online/

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/mumsnet-transphobic-flora-upfield-boycott-a9155016.html

www.vice.com/en/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

www.nytimes.com/2019/02/07/opinion/terf-trans-women-britain.html

aninjusticemag.com/mumsnet-how-poor-moderation-created-a-transphobic-swamp-adf391ccf9fc

You know when the NY Times has produced an article on a specific forum within a UK based site for a specific subset of people that somethings gone wrong

Ahh the good old transphobic comments. People have used that word so much it has lost its meaning. Who cares what the NY Times has created? NY Times is really not that important to me.
You haven't had backlash, you've had posters who don't feel the same as you do and commented to say such. You can say TWAW as much as you want, I still won't agree. I also think when there's shortages of HRT, it should go to women who need it first. Not men.

I really think at this point there isn't a single person in here who believes in fact checking news articles and actually looking at the figures presented.

If you're willing to blindly accept Daily Mail news articles that directly contradict each other there really isn't any hope in having a reasonable discussion with anyone on this forum.

The community here have shown they do not respect Trans Women enough to call them Women, do not believe that Trans Women face similar struggles such as increased risk of sexual assault, they should not have basic needs and rights such as the right to use the correct bathroom, they should be treated worse than biological women when it comes to healthcare even when the mental effects of withdrawal are similar (increased risk of suicidal ideation) and above all that they are actively trying to discourage there own kids from taking hormones that could save there lives.

To be honest reading through the posts again up to this point it's worse than I thought originally, you should be ashamed. I would expect about the same level of hatred from an Incel forum